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npn Crowborough 14 Oct 15 8.34am
I think the real problems for Corbyn are only just beginning. He spent his career on the backbenches voting against the party's line on many things due to his own principles (fine, admirable even), the problem is he's now asking the same backbenchers he voted against to come out and vote for him on things they don't agree with him on (fiscal policy now, but there will be many more in the future) - I suspect they will take great pleasure in sticking two fingers up at him.
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Crowborough 14 Oct 15 8.34am

I think the real problems for Corbyn are only just beginning. He spent his career on the backbenches voting against the party's line on many things due to his own principles (fine, admirable even), the problem is he's now asking the same backbenchers he voted against to come out and vote for him on things they don't agree with him on (fiscal policy now, but there will be many more in the future) - I suspect they will take great pleasure in sticking two fingers up at him.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Oct 15 9.14am
Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 1.06pm Quote dannyh at 13 Oct 2015 1.03pm Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 12.59pm Quote We are goin up! at 13 Oct 2015 12.07pm In your weird world the general election never happened, did it? Pardon? Of course it happened....we'd never have got here without it. I'm relieved that the Labour of yesterday is not in power, it would have been just as bad as the Conservatives but in a different way. Now Britain has some balance in it's politics. Or will have soon. The Labour right is hopelessly compromised by it's track record and thouroughly distrusted by all except the Blairite MPs and local big-wigs themselves. Times are changing, Labour is addressing an essentially new constituancy in a counntry that is socially and economically unrecogocnisable from the one that the party abandoned under Blair. It's a trend with echoes across Europe too. No, the Election happened, was fought by a out of date and out of touch leadership which, thankfully, was a casualty of the defeat. Once the party can present a coherent raft of social and economic alternatives to the voters ( which demands consensus from the membership and MPs and therefore won't happen untill the purge is well under way), then we'll see the politicising of the majority of new voters and those untill now marginalised and disinterested. Wow just wow, that is the longest most bizzare answer to a question I've ever read. I take it back you not Rick from the young ones. You are Chairman Mao. Given the obvious differences between the two people in both physical and political terms it seems that you have not taken the proper time to really try and identify whom this poster is and may be seeking to deflect from the point with a joke. He's bright this one isnt he "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Oct 15 9.14am

Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 1.06pm

Quote dannyh at 13 Oct 2015 1.03pm

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Quote We are goin up! at 13 Oct 2015 12.07pm

In your weird world the general election never happened, did it?

Pardon?
Of course it happened....we'd never have got here without it.
I'm relieved that the Labour of yesterday is not in power, it would have been just as bad as the Conservatives but in a different way.
Now Britain has some balance in it's politics. Or will have soon.
The Labour right is hopelessly compromised by it's track record and thouroughly distrusted by all except the Blairite MPs and local big-wigs themselves.
Times are changing, Labour is addressing an essentially new constituancy in a counntry that is socially and economically unrecogocnisable from the one that the party abandoned under Blair.
It's a trend with echoes across Europe too.

No, the Election happened, was fought by a out of date and out of touch leadership which, thankfully, was a casualty of the defeat.
Once the party can present a coherent raft of social and economic alternatives to the voters ( which demands consensus from the membership and MPs and therefore won't happen untill the purge is well under way), then we'll see the politicising of the majority of new voters and those untill now marginalised and disinterested.

Wow just wow, that is the longest most bizzare answer to a question I've ever read. I take it back you not Rick from the young ones.

You are Chairman Mao.

Given the obvious differences between the two people in both physical and political terms it seems that you have not taken the proper time to really try and identify whom this poster is and may be seeking to deflect from the point with a joke.

He's bright this one isnt he

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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ghosteagle 14 Oct 15 11.09am
Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am I think the real problems for Corbyn are only just beginning. He spent his career on the backbenches voting against the party's line on many things due to his own principles (fine, admirable even), the problem is he's now asking the same backbenchers he voted against to come out and vote for him on things they don't agree with him on (fiscal policy now, but there will be many more in the future) - I suspect they will take great pleasure in sticking two fingers up at him. Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon.
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Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am

Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon.

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npn Crowborough 14 Oct 15 11.23am
Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am I think the real problems for Corbyn are only just beginning. He spent his career on the backbenches voting against the party's line on many things due to his own principles (fine, admirable even), the problem is he's now asking the same backbenchers he voted against to come out and vote for him on things they don't agree with him on (fiscal policy now, but there will be many more in the future) - I suspect they will take great pleasure in sticking two fingers up at him. Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon. Will be interesting to see which way he goes. I can't see a way of getting the PLP onside without compromising his principles (and the PLP know they effectively hold many trump cards as a group, and can probably make his tenure a brief one). If he purges, he will have the complication of either: a) sitting MPs knowing they are on borrowed time (and being a pain), or b) the risk of deselecting MPs just prior to the next elections, and having those sitting MPs standing as independents or a splinter Labour group against his puppet candidates and splitting the anti-Tory vote Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck.
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Crowborough 14 Oct 15 11.23am

Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am

Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am

Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon.

Will be interesting to see which way he goes. I can't see a way of getting the PLP onside without compromising his principles (and the PLP know they effectively hold many trump cards as a group, and can probably make his tenure a brief one).

If he purges, he will have the complication of either:
a) sitting MPs knowing they are on borrowed time (and being a pain), or
b) the risk of deselecting MPs just prior to the next elections, and having those sitting MPs standing as independents or a splinter Labour group against his puppet candidates and splitting the anti-Tory vote

Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Oct 15 12.51pm
Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 11.23am Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am I think the real problems for Corbyn are only just beginning. He spent his career on the backbenches voting against the party's line on many things due to his own principles (fine, admirable even), the problem is he's now asking the same backbenchers he voted against to come out and vote for him on things they don't agree with him on (fiscal policy now, but there will be many more in the future) - I suspect they will take great pleasure in sticking two fingers up at him. Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon. Will be interesting to see which way he goes. I can't see a way of getting the PLP onside without compromising his principles (and the PLP know they effectively hold many trump cards as a group, and can probably make his tenure a brief one). If he purges, he will have the complication of either: a) sitting MPs knowing they are on borrowed time (and being a pain), or b) the risk of deselecting MPs just prior to the next elections, and having those sitting MPs standing as independents or a splinter Labour group against his puppet candidates and splitting the anti-Tory vote Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck. For the record I'm no Cameron fan, (far to left leaning for me ) but to sit and watch the labour party as we currently know it, tear it self apart from the very core is somehow comforting, as there is no chance of them being elected for the forseeable. Even BoJo could win an election against the bearded tramp. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Oct 15 12.51pm

Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 11.23am

Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am

Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am

Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon.

Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck.

For the record I'm no Cameron fan, (far to left leaning for me ) but to sit and watch the labour party as we currently know it, tear it self apart from the very core is somehow comforting, as there is no chance of them being elected for the forseeable.

Even BoJo could win an election against the bearded tramp.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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ghosteagle 14 Oct 15 12.59pm
Quote dannyh at 14 Oct 2015 12.51pm Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 11.23am Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am I think the real problems for Corbyn are only just beginning. He spent his career on the backbenches voting against the party's line on many things due to his own principles (fine, admirable even), the problem is he's now asking the same backbenchers he voted against to come out and vote for him on things they don't agree with him on (fiscal policy now, but there will be many more in the future) - I suspect they will take great pleasure in sticking two fingers up at him. Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon. Will be interesting to see which way he goes. I can't see a way of getting the PLP onside without compromising his principles (and the PLP know they effectively hold many trump cards as a group, and can probably make his tenure a brief one). If he purges, he will have the complication of either: a) sitting MPs knowing they are on borrowed time (and being a pain), or b) the risk of deselecting MPs just prior to the next elections, and having those sitting MPs standing as independents or a splinter Labour group against his puppet candidates and splitting the anti-Tory vote Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck. For the record I'm no Cameron fan, (far to left leaning for me ) but to sit and watch the labour party as we currently know it, tear it self apart from the very core is somehow comforting, as there is no chance of them being elected for the forseeable. Even BoJo could win an election against the bearded tramp. Given that we still have over 4 years to the election its too early yet to call. Labour have had teething problems but given the new direction that Corbyn is taking the party its to be expected, and he seems to be learning fast. The test is if the huge interest he generated in the wider labour party can be translated to the rest of the electorate, time will tell.
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14 Oct 15 12.59pm

Quote dannyh at 14 Oct 2015 12.51pm

Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 11.23am

Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am

Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am

Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon.

Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck.

Even BoJo could win an election against the bearded tramp.

Given that we still have over 4 years to the election its too early yet to call. Labour have had teething problems but given the new direction that Corbyn is taking the party its to be expected, and he seems to be learning fast. The test is if the huge interest he generated in the wider labour party can be translated to the rest of the electorate, time will tell.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 14 Oct 15 12.59pm
Quote dannyh at 14 Oct 2015 12.51pm Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 11.23am Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am I think the real problems for Corbyn are only just beginning. He spent his career on the backbenches voting against the party's line on many things due to his own principles (fine, admirable even), the problem is he's now asking the same backbenchers he voted against to come out and vote for him on things they don't agree with him on (fiscal policy now, but there will be many more in the future) - I suspect they will take great pleasure in sticking two fingers up at him. Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon. Will be interesting to see which way he goes. I can't see a way of getting the PLP onside without compromising his principles (and the PLP know they effectively hold many trump cards as a group, and can probably make his tenure a brief one). If he purges, he will have the complication of either: a) sitting MPs knowing they are on borrowed time (and being a pain), or b) the risk of deselecting MPs just prior to the next elections, and having those sitting MPs standing as independents or a splinter Labour group against his puppet candidates and splitting the anti-Tory vote Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck. For the record I'm no Cameron fan, (far to left leaning for me ) but to sit and watch the labour party as we currently know it, tear it self apart from the very core is somehow comforting, as there is no chance of them being elected for the forseeable. Even BoJo could win an election against the bearded tramp. Recent polling suggests that the gap between Labour and the Tories is closer than at any previous stage since the election. Bit of an exaggeration to say they're tearing themselves apart. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Quote dannyh at 14 Oct 2015 12.51pm

Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 11.23am

Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am

Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am

Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon.

Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck.

Even BoJo could win an election against the bearded tramp.

Recent polling suggests that the gap between Labour and the Tories is closer than at any previous stage since the election. Bit of an exaggeration to say they're tearing themselves apart.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Oct 15 1.11pm
Quote serial thriller at 14 Oct 2015 12.59pm Quote dannyh at 14 Oct 2015 12.51pm Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 11.23am Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am I think the real problems for Corbyn are only just beginning. He spent his career on the backbenches voting against the party's line on many things due to his own principles (fine, admirable even), the problem is he's now asking the same backbenchers he voted against to come out and vote for him on things they don't agree with him on (fiscal policy now, but there will be many more in the future) - I suspect they will take great pleasure in sticking two fingers up at him. Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon. Will be interesting to see which way he goes. I can't see a way of getting the PLP onside without compromising his principles (and the PLP know they effectively hold many trump cards as a group, and can probably make his tenure a brief one). If he purges, he will have the complication of either: a) sitting MPs knowing they are on borrowed time (and being a pain), or b) the risk of deselecting MPs just prior to the next elections, and having those sitting MPs standing as independents or a splinter Labour group against his puppet candidates and splitting the anti-Tory vote Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck. For the record I'm no Cameron fan, (far to left leaning for me ) but to sit and watch the labour party as we currently know it, tear it self apart from the very core is somehow comforting, as there is no chance of them being elected for the forseeable. Even BoJo could win an election against the bearded tramp. Recent polling suggests that the gap between Labour and the Tories is closer than at any previous stage since the election. Bit of an exaggeration to say they're tearing themselves apart. Edited by dannyh (14 Oct 2015 1.13pm) Attachment: headinsand.jpg (10.40Kb) "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Oct 15 1.11pm

Quote serial thriller at 14 Oct 2015 12.59pm

Quote dannyh at 14 Oct 2015 12.51pm

Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 11.23am

Quote ghosteagle at 14 Oct 2015 11.09am

Quote npn at 14 Oct 2015 8.34am

Thats true enough, he's going to have to either come up with a way to get the PLP onside or conduct a purge. Either way hes going to have to act soon.

Either way, I still think the Tories can't believe their luck.

Even BoJo could win an election against the bearded tramp.

Recent polling suggests that the gap between Labour and the Tories is closer than at any previous stage since the election. Bit of an exaggeration to say they're tearing themselves apart.

Edited by dannyh (14 Oct 2015 1.13pm)

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"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 14 Oct 15 1.21pm
The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk. Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off. PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates. Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm) I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football. [Link] twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum Come and give it a look, new members would be lovely. Come and JOIN. Or they'll nick your telly.
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The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

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I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football.
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Come and give it a look, new members would be lovely.
Come and JOIN.
Or they'll nick your telly.

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ghosteagle 14 Oct 15 1.23pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk. Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off. All true, but is de-selection of so many MPs a realistic idea?
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm

All true, but is de-selection of so many MPs a realistic idea?

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Hoof Hearted 14 Oct 15 2.49pm
Are you guys on here getting paid to big up Corbyn?
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Hoof Hearted 14 Oct 15 2.49pm

Are you guys on here getting paid to big up Corbyn?

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 14 Oct 15 2.53pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk. Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off. PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b*****s) on Breast Cancer Rates. Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm) Deselection won't be that easy, there have been plenty of examples across all parties where a local constituency take exception to being told who they can / can't have. A lot of MPs (probably most) do a lot more local work than they are given credit for the dignified don't even enter in the game*
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

Deselection won't be that easy, there have been plenty of examples across all parties where a local constituency take exception to being told who they can / can't have. A lot of MPs (probably most) do a lot more local work than they are given credit for

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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