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The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

So are you saying that any Labour MP who holds moderate views cannot be a 'conviction politician' and is simply a careerist?

 

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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm

The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

So are you saying that any Labour MP who holds moderate views cannot be a 'conviction politician' and is simply a careerist?

No, rather that a moderate by conviction will not be at home in a more radical environment so, depending how 'moderate' they are, the LibDems beckon or the Tories or whatever.
Anyone who believes that moderation is the best way to tackle such far-right legislation, as is coming before Parliament now, needs to rethink and do so quickly.

 

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Quote matt_himself at 14 Oct 2015 2.55pm

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm

The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

So are you saying that any Labour MP who holds moderate views cannot be a 'conviction politician' and is simply a careerist?

No, rather that a moderate by conviction will not be at home in a more radical environment so, depending how 'moderate' they are, the LibDems beckon or the Tories or whatever.
Anyone who believes that moderation is the best way to tackle such far-right legislation, as is coming before Parliament now, needs to rethink and do so quickly.

Happy to debate this, but not sure to which legislation you refer. Great unemployment numbers by the way.

 
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 3.04pm

Quote matt_himself at 14 Oct 2015 2.55pm

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm

The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

So are you saying that any Labour MP who holds moderate views cannot be a 'conviction politician' and is simply a careerist?

No, rather that a moderate by conviction will not be at home in a more radical environment so, depending how 'moderate' they are, the LibDems beckon or the Tories or whatever.
Anyone who believes that moderation is the best way to tackle such far-right legislation, as is coming before Parliament now, needs to rethink and do so quickly.

As the tories can hardly be described as moderate, i can see some defections from Labour to the Lib Dems up ahead.


 
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Corbyn gives the noisy minority something to do for the next 4 years (maybe)
The amount of back peddling and compromises that will occur in the coming months is going to be hugely embarrassing to Labour.

I will predict that they could be the third party come next election.
Britain is moving to the right and Corbyn is a square peg in a round hole.

 
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Corbyn gives the noisy minority something to do for the next 4 years (maybe)
The amount of back peddling and compromises that will occur in the coming months is going to be hugely embarrassing to Labour.

I will predict that they could be the third party come next election.
Britain is moving to the right and Corbyn is a square peg in a round hole.

I would argue that it is too early yet to say which and indeed if the country is making any signifigant moves in terms of politics but that the election of Corbyn alone indicates that there is an appetite within the country for a leftward shift.
I don't see any danger of Labour becoming the third party as the Lib Dems have yet to recover from the disaster (for them) which was the coalition government.
A lot depends on the rise of poverty and inequality within the UK and if Corbyn can harness the associated anger that will come with it. Far too early to tell if his message will spread beyond his core supporters but it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 3.04pm

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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm

The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

So are you saying that any Labour MP who holds moderate views cannot be a 'conviction politician' and is simply a careerist?

No, rather that a moderate by conviction will not be at home in a more radical environment so, depending how 'moderate' they are, the LibDems beckon or the Tories or whatever.
Anyone who believes that moderation is the best way to tackle such far-right legislation, as is coming before Parliament now, needs to rethink and do so quickly.

Happy to debate this, but not sure to which legislation you refer. Great unemployment numbers by the way.

Not in Scotland though ha ha.

 

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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm

The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

So are you saying that any Labour MP who holds moderate views cannot be a 'conviction politician' and is simply a careerist?

No, rather that a moderate by conviction will not be at home in a more radical environment so, depending how 'moderate' they are, the LibDems beckon or the Tories or whatever.
Anyone who believes that moderation is the best way to tackle such far-right legislation, as is coming before Parliament now, needs to rethink and do so quickly.

Happy to debate this, but not sure to which legislation you refer. Great unemployment numbers by the way.

Not in Scotland though ha ha.


All part of the SNP plan to reduce inequality by making EVERYONE poor!

 
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm

The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

So are you saying that any Labour MP who holds moderate views cannot be a 'conviction politician' and is simply a careerist?

No, rather that a moderate by conviction will not be at home in a more radical environment so, depending how 'moderate' they are, the LibDems beckon or the Tories or whatever.
Anyone who believes that moderation is the best way to tackle such far-right legislation, as is coming before Parliament now, needs to rethink and do so quickly.

Happy to debate this, but not sure to which legislation you refer. Great unemployment numbers by the way.

Not in Scotland though ha ha.


Low oil prices are great for the motorist and inflation - not so good if you work on the supply side.

 
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 14 Oct 2015 1.21pm

The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

So are you saying that any Labour MP who holds moderate views cannot be a 'conviction politician' and is simply a careerist?

No, rather that a moderate by conviction will not be at home in a more radical environment so, depending how 'moderate' they are, the LibDems beckon or the Tories or whatever.
Anyone who believes that moderation is the best way to tackle such far-right legislation, as is coming before Parliament now, needs to rethink and do so quickly.

Happy to debate this, but not sure to which legislation you refer. Great unemployment numbers by the way.

Not in Scotland though ha ha.


All part of the SNP plan to reduce inequality by making EVERYONE poor!


They knocked about 20% off the figures for the whole UK with their increased unemployment.

That'll be down to their oil industry once again, that was going to fuel everything post-independence, no doubt.

Edited by Stuk (14 Oct 2015 4.17pm)

 

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The Labour Party has been significantly re-engineered to put the membership in a controlling position. Labour MPs have to listen to what their local party wants (and most want Corbyn and his principles) or face deselection. They undermine Corbyn-and therefore the will of the membership- at their own risk.
Two thirds of them aren't conviction politicians anyway so it matters little if they toe the new line or bugger off.

PS. He had another great PMQ's today. Clever use of follow-pn qustions. Cameron squirming and Tories trying to laugh JC down on Tax Credit cuts, housing and (sick b******s) on Breast Cancer Rates.

Edited by Red-Blue-Yellow (14 Oct 2015 1.27pm)

So are you saying that any Labour MP who holds moderate views cannot be a 'conviction politician' and is simply a careerist?

No, rather that a moderate by conviction will not be at home in a more radical environment so, depending how 'moderate' they are, the LibDems beckon or the Tories or whatever.
Anyone who believes that moderation is the best way to tackle such far-right legislation, as is coming before Parliament now, needs to rethink and do so quickly.

Happy to debate this, but not sure to which legislation you refer. Great unemployment numbers by the way.

Not in Scotland though ha ha.


Low oil prices are great for the motorist and inflation - not so good if you work on the supply side.


It's lucky for them that this government is bringing so much investment to the Clyde, that the SNP keep saying they don't want. Otherwise they'd be really f***ed...

 

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 14 Oct 2015 3.30pm

Corbyn gives the noisy minority something to do for the next 4 years (maybe)
The amount of back peddling and compromises that will occur in the coming months is going to be hugely embarrassing to Labour.

I will predict that they could be the third party come next election.
Britain is moving to the right and Corbyn is a square peg in a round hole.

I would argue that it is too early yet to say which and indeed if the country is making any signifigant moves in terms of politics but that the election of Corbyn alone indicates that there is an appetite within the country for a leftward shift.
I don't see any danger of Labour becoming the third party as the Lib Dems have yet to recover from the disaster (for them) which was the coalition government.
A lot depends on the rise of poverty and inequality within the UK and if Corbyn can harness the associated anger that will come with it. Far too early to tell if his message will spread beyond his core supporters but it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

For you perhaps.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Oct 2015 4.18pm)

 
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