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Quote black eagle. at 27 Oct 2015 10.07am
Camaron and Osborne are both multi millionaires who care little about famalies struggling to make ends meet. they are both out off touch and despite promising not to cut tax credits before the election they have broken their promise. Everyone who voted tory have got exactly what they want four more years off hardship under the tories.
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Kermit8  Hevon 27 Oct 15 11.12am |
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J Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 27 Oct 2015 10.11am
Quote black eagle. at 27 Oct 2015 10.07am
Camaron and Osborne are both multi millionaires who care little about famalies struggling to make ends meet. they are both out off touch and despite promising not to cut tax credits before the election they have broken their promise. Everyone who voted tory have got exactly what they want four more years off hardship under the tories.
Edited by Kermit8 (27 Oct 2015 11.16am)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 27 Oct 15 11.23am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 27 Oct 2015 9.48am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 8.44am
Osborne looking shaky and repetitive in his BBC interview. A spoilt little brat used to getting his own way in his younger days doing a bit of toy throwing today. It's great to see. A lot of these workers that would have been affected are employed by the public sector so it's not quite as simple as increasing wages commensurate with the losses incurred. Not everyone doing the same job will be getting the low pay top-up. This is something Gordon Brown got right. A rare moment.
When it was introduced in 1999 it cost the UK taxpayer £2.3 Billion. The tax credit system now costs us £31 Billion. Even the staunchest Labour supporters agree that it has escalated out of control and needs reining back. Yes Osborne got it wrong with the pace of change and the effect on lowest paid, BUT as Matt_Himself says above it has to be abolished and replaced with a simple system where people are paid more and taxed less.
Occasionally, governments do good and a slight re-distribution of wealth to help low-paid working families was one of those times. The sentiment behind it was to assist. Like the NHS. We should give Brown some 'credit' too.
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Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 11.12am
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Quote black eagle. at 27 Oct 2015 10.07am
Camaron and Osborne are both multi millionaires who care little about famalies struggling to make ends meet. they are both out off touch and despite promising not to cut tax credits before the election they have broken their promise. Everyone who voted tory have got exactly what they want four more years off hardship under the tories.
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Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 11.23am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 27 Oct 2015 9.48am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 8.44am
Osborne looking shaky and repetitive in his BBC interview. A spoilt little brat used to getting his own way in his younger days doing a bit of toy throwing today. It's great to see. A lot of these workers that would have been affected are employed by the public sector so it's not quite as simple as increasing wages commensurate with the losses incurred. Not everyone doing the same job will be getting the low pay top-up. This is something Gordon Brown got right. A rare moment.
When it was introduced in 1999 it cost the UK taxpayer £2.3 Billion. The tax credit system now costs us £31 Billion. Even the staunchest Labour supporters agree that it has escalated out of control and needs reining back. Yes Osborne got it wrong with the pace of change and the effect on lowest paid, BUT as Matt_Himself says above it has to be abolished and replaced with a simple system where people are paid more and taxed less.
Occasionally, governments do good and a slight re-distribution of wealth to help low-paid working families was one of those times. The sentiment behind it was to assist. Like the NHS. We should give Brown some 'credit' too. Tax Credits were introduced in 1999 and reformed in 2003. What's 1997 got to do with it Kermy love?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 27 Oct 15 12.08pm |
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Apologies. I was getting the tragic death(MURDER!) of the Queen of Hearts mixed up with welfare reform. Easy mistake.
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| Hoof Hearted 27 Oct 15 2.37pm | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 12.08pm
Apologies. I was getting the tragic death(MURDER!) of the Queen of Hearts mixed up with welfare reform. Easy mistake.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 15 4.12pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 11.23am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 27 Oct 2015 9.48am
Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 8.44am
Osborne looking shaky and repetitive in his BBC interview. A spoilt little brat used to getting his own way in his younger days doing a bit of toy throwing today. It's great to see. A lot of these workers that would have been affected are employed by the public sector so it's not quite as simple as increasing wages commensurate with the losses incurred. Not everyone doing the same job will be getting the low pay top-up. This is something Gordon Brown got right. A rare moment.
When it was introduced in 1999 it cost the UK taxpayer £2.3 Billion. The tax credit system now costs us £31 Billion. Even the staunchest Labour supporters agree that it has escalated out of control and needs reining back. Yes Osborne got it wrong with the pace of change and the effect on lowest paid, BUT as Matt_Himself says above it has to be abolished and replaced with a simple system where people are paid more and taxed less.
Occasionally, governments do good and a slight re-distribution of wealth to help low-paid working families was one of those times. The sentiment behind it was to assist. Like the NHS. We should give Brown some 'credit' too. What is interesting is that a large part of that period was a boom period for the economy, yet it seems that tax credits rose whilst unemployment went down For me, that's not a sign that 'welfare needs to be reformed' but that Companys and employers aren't paying sufficient wages to compensate for the cost of living (after all that was the longest boom period in history, or so we're told, with a massive drop in unemployment, where presumably companys were paying wages so low that people required family tax credit (causing a massive spike). But its definitely the fault of those on welfare, and not those companies paying them wages the nation had to subsidise through credits....
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Oct 2015 10.14am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 27 Oct 2015 10.06am
Despite my delight that the Lords have made Osborne rethink his strategy/timing with regard to this matter - I am uncomfortable with an unelected body like the House of Lords interfering with the business of the House of Commons. I think Cameron will act swiftly to prevent this happening again and will curb their powers. He can appoint more Tory Lords (and may well have to, to get a vote through their chamber anyway). The fact that he can do that makes a mockery of their decisions, undervaluing them by the fact that they can be swelled in ranks without an election but on the whim of the Prime Minister. I forgot that the Clergy are represented by 26 Bishops that can vote too. This seems like a lot of power that they can wield and is not commensurate with dwindling C of E attendances on Sunday mornings when one man, his dog and an organist turn up for prayers these days. I'm surprised that other faiths haven't demanded representation. All in all, the House of Lords costs the country a small fortune to run and for the good it is, it might as well be abolished because ultimately the House of Commons can always find a way to overrule it. The interesting thing about the lords, is that those appointed rarely resemble the person they were in parliament - The benefit of being in the Lords is that you are there irrespective of whether you toe the party line or not, and they tend towards their own views, beliefs and philosophies far more than the idea of party unity. The lords usually works paradoxically as a force for society, because it is unelected, unrepresentative and most importantly free of the influence of the whip and party over individuals. It still makes me very uneasy that there is an unelected second chamber made up of donors and cronies that is allowed to vote on legislation.
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| johnno42000 27 Oct 15 5.21pm |
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The Tories lied about not cutting Tax Credits, they have lied about the vote being unconstitutional (as it was not in their manifesto, was not amended and was not designated a Financial Bill) and the House of Lords have forced Snorter to re-think the policy. For me it was an excellent days work from the House of Lords, elected or not.
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| Dweeb East London 04 Nov 15 7.28am |
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Quote johnno42000 at 27 Oct 2015 5.21pm
The Tories lied about not cutting Tax Credits, they have lied about the vote being unconstitutional (as it was not in their manifesto, was not amended and was not designated a Financial Bill) and the House of Lords have forced Snorter to re-think the policy. For me it was an excellent days work from the House of Lords, elected or not.
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