UK Population to hit 74 Million by 2039
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 Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 Oct 15 2.30pm |
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Quote ASCPFC at 30 Oct 2015 2.10pm
I don't mean to sound alarmist in any way but I don't really see this as a reality. Why would anyone want to have a lot of kids these days? Certainly if there are a lot of births I have to suspect that they are not from 'traditional English' couples. I really don't know how else to put it.
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Palace_love_affair  SE London 30 Oct 15 2.30pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Oct 2015 1.29pm
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Quote rob1969 at 30 Oct 2015 10.42am
As I, mentioned in an earlier thread, - This is a major reason why the UK does not need more, large scale, immigration as our existing population is growing. Germany and France that have declining birth rates and whose population is predicted to decline over the same period as the UK's grows and therefore immigrants are needed to help counter these projected declines. Edited by rob1969 (30 Oct 2015 10.47am) Immigration isn't the problem for the UK, or any country, its when its rate of immigration greatly eclipses the rate of emigration (which is the current problem of the UK). Indeed if you have high emigration you generally will have serious problems if you don't counter that with immigration (quite possibly this would be worse than immigration in terms of economic impact on the UK). Of course immigration increases the problem, the rate of increase in the population would be less without them. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise. Did you read past the first line? The issue isn't immigration, its the imbalance between immigration and emigration. Around 125,000 UK citizens leave the UK each year, around another 125,000 people leave the UK each year, and around half a million migrate to the UK. If for example you had 125,000 people leaving the UK each year, without balancing that, you could face more serious economic impacts than high immigration. The problem is the imbalance between the two (those coming to the UK and those leaving the UK). Indeed if you suddenly 'revoked' the EU right to travel, the country would probably face an economic crisis as result of the impact (you'd have to graduate the change to avoid serious impacts on the housing market and the knock on effects this would have on businesses in high immigration areas). So that's where I sit, immigration to the UK needs to be in balance with emigration from the UK.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Oct 15 2.35pm |
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Quote Palace_love_affair at 30 Oct 2015 2.30pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Oct 2015 1.29pm
Quote stevegood at 30 Oct 2015 1.19pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Oct 2015 12.13pm
Quote rob1969 at 30 Oct 2015 10.42am
As I, mentioned in an earlier thread, - This is a major reason why the UK does not need more, large scale, immigration as our existing population is growing. Germany and France that have declining birth rates and whose population is predicted to decline over the same period as the UK's grows and therefore immigrants are needed to help counter these projected declines. Edited by rob1969 (30 Oct 2015 10.47am) Immigration isn't the problem for the UK, or any country, its when its rate of immigration greatly eclipses the rate of emigration (which is the current problem of the UK). Indeed if you have high emigration you generally will have serious problems if you don't counter that with immigration (quite possibly this would be worse than immigration in terms of economic impact on the UK). Of course immigration increases the problem, the rate of increase in the population would be less without them. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise. Did you read past the first line? The issue isn't immigration, its the imbalance between immigration and emigration. Around 125,000 UK citizens leave the UK each year, around another 125,000 people leave the UK each year, and around half a million migrate to the UK. If for example you had 125,000 people leaving the UK each year, without balancing that, you could face more serious economic impacts than high immigration. The problem is the imbalance between the two (those coming to the UK and those leaving the UK). Indeed if you suddenly 'revoked' the EU right to travel, the country would probably face an economic crisis as result of the impact (you'd have to graduate the change to avoid serious impacts on the housing market and the knock on effects this would have on businesses in high immigration areas). So that's where I sit, immigration to the UK needs to be in balance with emigration from the UK.
I did look it up for an early thread on Refugees (which at its highest in the last 10 years was 25,000 in a year and the significant argument was that Asylum and refugees weren't actually a problem, working migration was). That's quite a spike though, a quarter of a million people per year just from immigration.
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| Stirlingsays Online 30 Oct 15 2.45pm |
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Quote Holmesdale Nick at 30 Oct 2015 1.23pm
People are also living longer so we need lots of people to be in work to pay for pensioners.
Lots of people turns into lots of old people. All you do is increase the problem.....It's a pyramid the larger the width at the top you need an exponential width at the bottom supporting them. All it does is solve a short term economic issue for political parties while creating a massive problem for the next generation. Welcome to the legacy of this generation......Selling the legacy of their children. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2015 2.48pm)
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| Stuk Top half 30 Oct 15 2.48pm |
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Stop making people, who should be at the end of their life, live longer. Might help the NHS budget deficit too.
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| Stirlingsays Online 30 Oct 15 2.53pm |
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Quote Stuk at 30 Oct 2015 2.48pm
Stop making people, who should be at the end of their life, live longer. Might help the NHS budget deficit too.
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| Stirlingsays Online 30 Oct 15 2.58pm |
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A large problem is that a high proportion of the people buggering off often have money and skills. A high proportion of the people coming in don't....Neither do they have an allegiance to this country either. Not a problem for your common lefty of course but obviously an issue for many people.
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| Stuk Top half 30 Oct 15 3.02pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 2.53pm
Quote Stuk at 30 Oct 2015 2.48pm
Stop making people, who should be at the end of their life, live longer. Might help the NHS budget deficit too.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Oct 15 3.06pm |
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In the next 100 to 200 years only 10% of the worlds population will live in Europe and the USA. Think about that. Where do you think many of those aspiring Asians and Africans will be looking to to better their poverty stricken lives ? Unless we take measures our children and grandchildren and their children are in for a very rough ride. 75 million is the tip of the iceberg.
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| Palace_love_affair SE London 30 Oct 15 3.14pm |
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Well eventually the UK will become such a dump it'll go the other way. Nature has historically had ways of culling population problems, normally through disease. I initially thought Ebola could have been the new black death.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Oct 15 3.21pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 2.45pm
Quote Holmesdale Nick at 30 Oct 2015 1.23pm
People are also living longer so we need lots of people to be in work to pay for pensioners.
Lots of people turns into lots of old people. All you do is increase the problem.....It's a pyramid the larger the width at the top you need an exponential width at the bottom supporting them. All it does is solve a short term economic issue for political parties while creating a massive problem for the next generation. Welcome to the legacy of this generation......Selling the legacy of their children. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2015 2.48pm) The big problem is not with living longer. It is with birth rate. In Europe we have no population problem today and the world birthrate is dropping. Unfortunately the benefits of this will not be felt for a couple of hundred years when the world population is three or four times what it is now. The aging population will have to be adjusted to and we must get used to that change into the future.
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Quote ASCPFC at 30 Oct 2015 2.10pm
I don't mean to sound alarmist in any way but I don't really see this as a reality. Why would anyone want to have a lot of kids these days? Certainly if there are a lot of births I have to suspect that they are not from 'traditional English' couples. I really don't know how else to put it.
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