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Everything made by humans is of black origin, seeing as we descend from people who came out of Africa and were most definitely black.

Which makes you all self-hating racists


Er no.

You could equally credit one celled sea creatures.

Today's music might have evolved from any number of places. Just because Africans have music and we all descended from Africans does not mean that contemporary music originated wholly or partly from Black people. That is presumption without any proof.
Just because black people sung the blues for example, doesn't mean they didn't learn it from the Romans. (I'm not sayng they actually did BTW)

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Nov 2015 9.10pm)

Er no. I was talking about humans, not amoeba. That's why I said "Everything made by humans..."

That humans originated in Africa is not a presumption. It is very well researched and evidenced in many studies. Therefore my assertion stands.

EDIT: There were black Romans too anyway, but I'm not sure if they invented the Blues.

Edited by Seth (07 Nov 2015 11.51am)

You miss my point.

You could argue that black people invented the telephone or discovered radium by the same logic. It doesn't wash.

Prove that black people invented modern music. I dare you.

Just the good stuff. I think its kind of hard to doubt that genres such as Jazz, Rock, Rock N Roll, Blues, Soul and Disco were pioneered and pushed forwards by black artists into a white audience that then embraced them. Genres such as Funk, Hip Hop, Rap, Detroit House music and also revolutionised music again throughout a more modern period.

When I think Jazz and Blues (arguably the two most influential of genres) I think Billie Holiday, Miles Davis, Robert Johnson, Lead Belly, Muddy Waters, Blind Lemon, John Coltraine, rather than... Eric Clapton and Glenn Miller.

Elvis might have been the king of rock and roll, but he was really just playing black music to white kids, as were the Stones and Beatles when they both started out. That's not to say white music was entirely non-contributory (Country music for example), but that modern music really stems from the influence of the 50s and 60s adaptation of black influences.

Of course the real pioneer was Patti Page and Frankie Laine.

Absolutely no doubt that most forms of current music were in large part derived and stolen from black musicians in the modern era.
That was not really the argument.I was talking about much further back in time.

The one exception is classical music which still influences music more than people realise.

It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


 


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Everything made by humans is of black origin, seeing as we descend from people who came out of Africa and were most definitely black.

Which makes you all self-hating racists


Er no.

You could equally credit one celled sea creatures.

Today's music might have evolved from any number of places. Just because Africans have music and we all descended from Africans does not mean that contemporary music originated wholly or partly from Black people. That is presumption without any proof.
Just because black people sung the blues for example, doesn't mean they didn't learn it from the Romans. (I'm not sayng they actually did BTW)

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Nov 2015 9.10pm)

Er no. I was talking about humans, not amoeba. That's why I said "Everything made by humans..."

That humans originated in Africa is not a presumption. It is very well researched and evidenced in many studies. Therefore my assertion stands.

EDIT: There were black Romans too anyway, but I'm not sure if they invented the Blues.

Edited by Seth (07 Nov 2015 11.51am)

You miss my point.

You could argue that black people invented the telephone or discovered radium by the same logic. It doesn't wash.

Prove that black people invented modern music. I dare you.

Just the good stuff. I think its kind of hard to doubt that genres such as Jazz, Rock, Rock N Roll, Blues, Soul and Disco were pioneered and pushed forwards by black artists into a white audience that then embraced them. Genres such as Funk, Hip Hop, Rap, Detroit House music and also revolutionised music again throughout a more modern period.

When I think Jazz and Blues (arguably the two most influential of genres) I think Billie Holiday, Miles Davis, Robert Johnson, Lead Belly, Muddy Waters, Blind Lemon, John Coltraine, rather than... Eric Clapton and Glenn Miller.

Elvis might have been the king of rock and roll, but he was really just playing black music to white kids, as were the Stones and Beatles when they both started out. That's not to say white music was entirely non-contributory (Country music for example), but that modern music really stems from the influence of the 50s and 60s adaptation of black influences.

Of course the real pioneer was Patti Page and Frankie Laine.

Absolutely no doubt that most forms of current music were in large part derived and stolen from black musicians in the modern era.
That was not really the argument.I was talking about much further back in time.

The one exception is classical music which still influences music more than people realise.

It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


Lol

You presume that there was an unbroken chain between primitive music and modern music. That is not necessarily the case. It might be way more complicated than that. You can't know for sure. You just presume to know.

 

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It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


Lol

You presume that there was an unbroken chain between primitive music and modern music. That is not necessarily the case. It might be way more complicated than that. You can't know for sure. You just presume to know.


I presume nothing. If you actually read what I posted you'd notice I used the words "very likely" and "probably". Does that suggest I "presume to know" the answer? Of course not. I am making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities, whereas you are making a judgement based on nothing in particular, except perhaps your own prejudices.

 


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It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


Lol

You presume that there was an unbroken chain between primitive music and modern music. That is not necessarily the case. It might be way more complicated than that. You can't know for sure. You just presume to know.


I presume nothing. If you actually read what I posted you'd notice I used the words "very likely" and "probably". Does that suggest I "presume to know" the answer? Of course not. I am making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities, whereas you are making a judgement based on nothing in particular, except perhaps your own prejudices.

So in other words, you know nothing.

What are my prejudices exactly ? Other than toward people who twist and turn their arguments before admitting that they actually have no real knowledge of the subject beyond Wiki.

 

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It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


Lol

You presume that there was an unbroken chain between primitive music and modern music. That is not necessarily the case. It might be way more complicated than that. You can't know for sure. You just presume to know.


I presume nothing. If you actually read what I posted you'd notice I used the words "very likely" and "probably". Does that suggest I "presume to know" the answer? Of course not. I am making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities, whereas you are making a judgement based on nothing in particular, except perhaps your own prejudices.

So in other words, you know nothing.

What are my prejudices exactly ? Other than toward people who twist and turn their arguments before admitting that they actually have no real knowledge of the subject beyond Wiki.


*Sigh* This is getting tiresome.

I said I was making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities. That is all. If you don't like it then come up with some kind of alternative theory. Or not, more likely.

Your prejudices are your own concern, I can only guess at them based on what you post. But I'll leave that because debating sensibly with you is like herding cats.

 


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Quote Seth at 09 Nov 2015 1.14am


It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


Lol

You presume that there was an unbroken chain between primitive music and modern music. That is not necessarily the case. It might be way more complicated than that. You can't know for sure. You just presume to know.


I presume nothing. If you actually read what I posted you'd notice I used the words "very likely" and "probably". Does that suggest I "presume to know" the answer? Of course not. I am making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities, whereas you are making a judgement based on nothing in particular, except perhaps your own prejudices.

So in other words, you know nothing.

What are my prejudices exactly ? Other than toward people who twist and turn their arguments before admitting that they actually have no real knowledge of the subject beyond Wiki.


*Sigh* This is getting tiresome.

I said I was making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities. That is all. If you don't like it then come up with some kind of alternative theory. Or not, more likely.

Your prejudices are your own concern, I can only guess at them based on what you post. But I'll leave that because debating sensibly with you is like herding cats.


You're welcome.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Nov 2015 4.37pm)

 

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It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


Lol

You presume that there was an unbroken chain between primitive music and modern music. That is not necessarily the case. It might be way more complicated than that. You can't know for sure. You just presume to know.


I presume nothing. If you actually read what I posted you'd notice I used the words "very likely" and "probably". Does that suggest I "presume to know" the answer? Of course not. I am making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities, whereas you are making a judgement based on nothing in particular, except perhaps your own prejudices.

So in other words, you know nothing.

What are my prejudices exactly ? Other than toward people who twist and turn their arguments before admitting that they actually have no real knowledge of the subject beyond Wiki.


*Sigh* This is getting tiresome.

I said I was making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities. That is all. If you don't like it then come up with some kind of alternative theory. Or not, more likely.

Your prejudices are your own concern, I can only guess at them based on what you post. But I'll leave that because debating sensibly with you is like herding cats.


You're welcome.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Nov 2015 4.37pm)


It wasn't intended as a thank you.

 


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Quote Seth at 09 Nov 2015 2.07pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Nov 2015 12.49pm

Quote Seth at 09 Nov 2015 1.14am


It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


Lol

You presume that there was an unbroken chain between primitive music and modern music. That is not necessarily the case. It might be way more complicated than that. You can't know for sure. You just presume to know.


I presume nothing. If you actually read what I posted you'd notice I used the words "very likely" and "probably". Does that suggest I "presume to know" the answer? Of course not. I am making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities, whereas you are making a judgement based on nothing in particular, except perhaps your own prejudices.

So in other words, you know nothing.

What are my prejudices exactly ? Other than toward people who twist and turn their arguments before admitting that they actually have no real knowledge of the subject beyond Wiki.


*Sigh* This is getting tiresome.

I said I was making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities. That is all. If you don't like it then come up with some kind of alternative theory. Or not, more likely.

Your prejudices are your own concern, I can only guess at them based on what you post. But I'll leave that because debating sensibly with you is like herding cats.


You're welcome.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Nov 2015 4.37pm)


It wasn't intended as a thank you.

No s***.

 

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Quote Seth at 09 Nov 2015 2.07pm

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Quote Seth at 09 Nov 2015 1.14am


It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


Lol

You presume that there was an unbroken chain between primitive music and modern music. That is not necessarily the case. It might be way more complicated than that. You can't know for sure. You just presume to know.


I presume nothing. If you actually read what I posted you'd notice I used the words "very likely" and "probably". Does that suggest I "presume to know" the answer? Of course not. I am making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities, whereas you are making a judgement based on nothing in particular, except perhaps your own prejudices.

So in other words, you know nothing.

What are my prejudices exactly ? Other than toward people who twist and turn their arguments before admitting that they actually have no real knowledge of the subject beyond Wiki.


*Sigh* This is getting tiresome.

I said I was making a judgement based on the balance of probabilities. That is all. If you don't like it then come up with some kind of alternative theory. Or not, more likely.

Your prejudices are your own concern, I can only guess at them based on what you post. But I'll leave that because debating sensibly with you is like herding cats.


You're welcome.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Nov 2015 4.37pm)


It wasn't intended as a thank you.

No s***.

Bye

 


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Everything made by humans is of black origin, seeing as we descend from people who came out of Africa and were most definitely black.

Which makes you all self-hating racists


Er no.

You could equally credit one celled sea creatures.

Today's music might have evolved from any number of places. Just because Africans have music and we all descended from Africans does not mean that contemporary music originated wholly or partly from Black people. That is presumption without any proof.
Just because black people sung the blues for example, doesn't mean they didn't learn it from the Romans. (I'm not sayng they actually did BTW)

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Nov 2015 9.10pm)

Er no. I was talking about humans, not amoeba. That's why I said "Everything made by humans..."

That humans originated in Africa is not a presumption. It is very well researched and evidenced in many studies. Therefore my assertion stands.

EDIT: There were black Romans too anyway, but I'm not sure if they invented the Blues.

Edited by Seth (07 Nov 2015 11.51am)

You miss my point.

You could argue that black people invented the telephone or discovered radium by the same logic. It doesn't wash.

Prove that black people invented modern music. I dare you.

Just the good stuff. I think its kind of hard to doubt that genres such as Jazz, Rock, Rock N Roll, Blues, Soul and Disco were pioneered and pushed forwards by black artists into a white audience that then embraced them. Genres such as Funk, Hip Hop, Rap, Detroit House music and also revolutionised music again throughout a more modern period.

When I think Jazz and Blues (arguably the two most influential of genres) I think Billie Holiday, Miles Davis, Robert Johnson, Lead Belly, Muddy Waters, Blind Lemon, John Coltraine, rather than... Eric Clapton and Glenn Miller.

Elvis might have been the king of rock and roll, but he was really just playing black music to white kids, as were the Stones and Beatles when they both started out. That's not to say white music was entirely non-contributory (Country music for example), but that modern music really stems from the influence of the 50s and 60s adaptation of black influences.

Of course the real pioneer was Patti Page and Frankie Laine.

Absolutely no doubt that most forms of current music were in large part derived and stolen from black musicians in the modern era.
That was not really the argument.I was talking about much further back in time.

The one exception is classical music which still influences music more than people realise.

It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.


Actually this is slightly more complicated than it seems to be. Whilst there is a reasonable grounds to believe that Homo Sapians evolved from homo erectus, and that Africa was a likely point, its far from certain, because a number of hominds classed individually, should have been classed under Homo Erectus.

Also the presumption that because those initial evolutionary steps were in Africa, that the first homo sapiens were black, and that as the species spread new skin colours evolved, there is no evidence of that first 'men' were black. They might well have been of any racial type - what we do know is that at some point the racial groups settled into areas suited to, or evolved towards racial groups, that suited environmental factors in various different climate regions.

Its actually a bit racist to assume that because homo sapiens originated in Africa they must have been black.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (11 Nov 2015 3.18pm)

 


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