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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Nov 15 6.50pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.
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You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

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Lucas Oliver Miles away 22 Nov 15 7.05pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels. That's the first time I've heard charity equated with disease. Nope it's not my name
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You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

That's the first time I've heard charity equated with disease.

Nope it's not my name

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Nov 15 7.13pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. What are you basing your food bank users comments on?
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

What are you basing your food bank users comments on?

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 22 Nov 15 7.36pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels. It pays well. Over the years i've known a few people that run charities. They're all doing very nicely..........for very little effort. Time to move forward together.
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You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

It pays well.
Over the years i've known a few people that run charities. They're all doing very nicely..........for very little effort.

Time to move forward together.

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Nov 15 7.38pm
Quote Lucas Oliver at 22 Nov 2015 7.05pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels. That's the first time I've heard charity equated with disease. You're welcome.
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

That's the first time I've heard charity equated with disease.

You're welcome.

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Nov 15 7.41pm
Quote nickgusset at 22 Nov 2015 7.13pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. What are you basing your food bank users comments on? Careful. I will be subjecting your posts to similar scrutiny for the rest of your natural life.
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

What are you basing your food bank users comments on?

Careful. I will be subjecting your posts to similar scrutiny for the rest of your natural life.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Nov 15 7.42pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 7.41pm Quote nickgusset at 22 Nov 2015 7.13pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. What are you basing your food bank users comments on? Careful. I will be subjecting your posts to similar scrutiny for the rest of your natural life. Is the wrong answer
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

What are you basing your food bank users comments on?

Careful. I will be subjecting your posts to similar scrutiny for the rest of your natural life.

Is the wrong answer

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Nov 15 7.44pm
Quote -TUX- at 22 Nov 2015 7.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels. It pays well. Over the years i've known a few people that run charities. They're all doing very nicely..........for very little effort. At last. That explains why Mother Teresa had so much bling.
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You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

It pays well.
Over the years i've known a few people that run charities. They're all doing very nicely..........for very little effort.

At last. That explains why Mother Teresa had so much bling.

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain.
We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region.
Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary.

I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

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Idiots. Makes me ashamed that there are knobheads like this about who carry out attacks on people.

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels. Charity doesn't solve a problem, it relieves the 'popular symptoms', its become a social political tool where by the responsibility of the state to citizens has increasingly been 'privitised'. Charity cannot solve problems, its become a big business that feeds on those social problems. Food banks won't stop poverty, they just mean the state doesn't have to resolve a major problem. Homeless charities now bid for local council outreach contracts. And no one pays attention to those who fall through the cracks set by the 'rules' of qualification for that support. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

Charity doesn't solve a problem, it relieves the 'popular symptoms', its become a social political tool where by the responsibility of the state to citizens has increasingly been 'privitised'.

Charity cannot solve problems, its become a big business that feeds on those social problems. Food banks won't stop poverty, they just mean the state doesn't have to resolve a major problem.

Homeless charities now bid for local council outreach contracts.

And no one pays attention to those who fall through the cracks set by the 'rules' of qualification for that support.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Quote -TUX- at 22 Nov 2015 7.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.50pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 6.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it. But time breeds indifference. I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed. Don't get me wrong....The feckless are still feckless and wasters and fifth columnists create division and resentment.....I suppose I don't believe that closing the door on these problems is an answer. I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm) I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels. It pays well. Over the years i've known a few people that run charities. They're all doing very nicely..........for very little effort. 'Hunger puts the sparkle back in television, so we can all give a little, and feel like were changing the world, whilst wearing clothing produced for pennies, by labour at best making enough to survive on, and sold in the West for astronomical mark ups to achieve Executive salaries and dreams. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

You can't compare Victorian poverty with current levels no that's right but the reason for this is that attitudes changed due to the sheer terrible injustice of it.

But time breeds indifference.
I've noticed that the 'I'm alright Jack, not my problem' movement have gained more strength as the decades passed.

I believe that a better family is one that looks to sort its own problems out.....And a nation is nothing if not an extension of that

That's what I believe anyway....For what's its worth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Nov 2015 6.45pm)

I don't think anyone has closed the door on poverty. Quite the opposite. There has never been more do gooding. Charity has reached almost epidemic levels.

It pays well.
Over the years i've known a few people that run charities. They're all doing very nicely..........for very little effort.

'Hunger puts the sparkle back in television, so we can all give a little, and feel like were changing the world, whilst wearing clothing produced for pennies, by labour at best making enough to survive on, and sold in the West for astronomical mark ups to achieve Executive salaries and dreams.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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