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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Nov 15 11.18am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.02am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 10.58am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 10.53am [Link] India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020. I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning. He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group. They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand. Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them. I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though. Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines. I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any). WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick. If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal. I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment. So we stop recycling then?
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India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though.
Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines.
I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any).

WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick.

If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal.

I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment.

So we stop recycling then?

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 25 Nov 15 11.20am
But my own MP, Amber Rudd (Tory, and Minister for the environment), is an advocate of fracking, and as such, very much for the exploitation of fossil fuels. Rich countries have no moral high-ground to dictate to poorer countries how they improve their quality of life. Does anyone really think putting a few cans/bottles in a recycle bin is going to make a squit of difference to the world when China, Japan, Africa, India ,,etc are pumping gazzilions of tonnes of pollution into the atmosphere and surface waters. ? "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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But my own MP, Amber Rudd (Tory, and Minister for the environment), is an advocate of fracking, and as such, very much for the exploitation of fossil fuels.

Rich countries have no moral high-ground to dictate to poorer countries how they improve their quality of life.

Does anyone really think putting a few cans/bottles in a recycle bin is going to make a squit of difference to the world when China, Japan, Africa, India ,,etc are pumping gazzilions of tonnes of pollution into the atmosphere and surface waters. ?

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Nov 15 11.26am
The only way to save the planet is the mass suicide of tree loggers, car drivers, coal burners and the far right. Later on today. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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The only way to save the planet is the mass suicide of tree loggers, car drivers, coal burners and the far right.

Later on today.

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Hoof Hearted 25 Nov 15 11.33am
Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.18am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.02am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 10.58am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 10.53am [Link] India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020. I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning. He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group. They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand. Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them. I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though. Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines. I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any). WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick. If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal. I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment. So we stop recycling then? You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda) At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect!
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India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick.

If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal.

I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment.

So we stop recycling then?

You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda)

At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect!

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Nov 15 11.37am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.33am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.18am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.02am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 10.58am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 10.53am [Link] India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020. I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning. He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group. They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand. Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them. I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though. Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines. I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any). WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick. If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal. I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment. So we stop recycling then? You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda) At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect! Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across.
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India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick.

If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal.

I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment.

So we stop recycling then?

You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda)

At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect!

Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across.

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Hoof Hearted 25 Nov 15 11.43am
Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.37am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.33am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.18am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.02am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 10.58am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 10.53am [Link] India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020. I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning. He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group. They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand. Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them. I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though. Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines. I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any). WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick. If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal. I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment. So we stop recycling then? You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda) At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect! Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across. If it makes you feel better about yourself carry on.... I recycle every Monday but am not convinced that a few tins, cardboard and a bit of plastic saved from landfill will stop the disastrous effects of India/China's insatiable appetite for burning coal though.
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India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick.

If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal.

I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment.

So we stop recycling then?

You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda)

At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect!

Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across.

If it makes you feel better about yourself carry on.... I recycle every Monday but am not convinced that a few tins, cardboard and a bit of plastic saved from landfill will stop the disastrous effects of India/China's insatiable appetite for burning coal though.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Nov 15 11.46am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.43am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.37am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.33am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.18am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.02am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 10.58am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 10.53am [Link] India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020. I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning. He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group. They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand. Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them. I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though. Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines. I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any). WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick. If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal. I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment. So we stop recycling then? You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda) At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect! Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across. If it makes you feel better about yourself carry on.... I recycle every Monday but am not convinced that a few tins, cardboard and a bit of plastic saved from landfill will stop the disastrous effects of India/China's insatiable appetite for burning coal though. It's not just about recycling though is it? As Forest alluded to, fracking is an environmental disaster waiting to happen.
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India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick.

If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal.

I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment.

So we stop recycling then?

You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda)

At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect!

Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across.

It's not just about recycling though is it?

As Forest alluded to, fracking is an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

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Hoof Hearted 25 Nov 15 12.01pm
Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.46am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.43am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.37am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.33am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.18am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.02am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 10.58am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 10.53am [Link] India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020. I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning. He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group. They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand. Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them. I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though. Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines. I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any). WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick. If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal. I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment. So we stop recycling then? You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda) At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect! Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across. If it makes you feel better about yourself carry on.... I recycle every Monday but am not convinced that a few tins, cardboard and a bit of plastic saved from landfill will stop the disastrous effects of India/China's insatiable appetite for burning coal though. It's not just about recycling though is it? As Forest alluded to, fracking is an environmental disaster waiting to happen. Is it though? Not nearly enough research has been done on fracking, but yet swampy and his brothers/sisters are on their case about it's harmful effects as well as stopping renewables like windfarms for NIMBYism, tidal generation for eco concerns, Nuclear generation for its radio active waste concerns etc etc. Fcuk all gets done in this country because of eco warriors and their objections to everything. Never any ground beaking solutions to problems, just reasons why we can't do things.
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India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick.

If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal.

I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment.

So we stop recycling then?

You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda)

At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect!

Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across.

It's not just about recycling though is it?

As Forest alluded to, fracking is an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

Is it though?

Not nearly enough research has been done on fracking, but yet swampy and his brothers/sisters are on their case about it's harmful effects as well as stopping renewables like windfarms for NIMBYism, tidal generation for eco concerns, Nuclear generation for its radio active waste concerns etc etc.

Fcuk all gets done in this country because of eco warriors and their objections to everything.

Never any ground beaking solutions to problems, just reasons why we can't do things.

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Stuk Top half 25 Nov 15 3.42pm
Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.46am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.43am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.37am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.33am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 11.18am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 11.02am Quote nickgusset at 25 Nov 2015 10.58am Quote Hoof Hearted at 25 Nov 2015 10.53am [Link] India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020. I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning. He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group. They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand. Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them. I think that we shouldn't not act because of this though. Perhaps we should have a caveat that any foreign aid given is dependent on those we give aid to following environmental guidelines. I'm genuinely worried about the future of our planet, not so much for me, but my kids and grandkids (if I ever have any). WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick. If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal. I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment. So we stop recycling then? You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda) At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect! Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across. If it makes you feel better about yourself carry on.... I recycle every Monday but am not convinced that a few tins, cardboard and a bit of plastic saved from landfill will stop the disastrous effects of India/China's insatiable appetite for burning coal though. It's not just about recycling though is it? As Forest alluded to, fracking is an environmental disaster waiting to happen. It's more environmentally friendly to source our oil and gas domestically, fracking will make our country pretty much self-sufficient for oil and gas. Optimistic as ever
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India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick.

If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal.

I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment.

So we stop recycling then?

You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda)

At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect!

Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across.

It's not just about recycling though is it?

As Forest alluded to, fracking is an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

It's more environmentally friendly to source our oil and gas domestically, fracking will make our country pretty much self-sufficient for oil and gas.

Optimistic as ever

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 26 Nov 15 8.26am
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India are set to double their coal production and consumption by 2020.

I listened to one of their government ministers on Radio 4, Today Programme this morning.

He said they had no intention of allowing themselves to be reined back by this Paris summit, or any other pressure group.

They have set ambitious targets for growth in their economy which relies on electricity generation and only coal can meet this demand.

Therefore, whatever the rest of the world agree to do it will be like p1ssing in the wind as India will continue to generate harmful emissions and actually increase them.

WE've got to get the whole world on message though Nick.

If you read the article I linked to you will see that India is already passing legislation for forest clearances to access more coal.

I'm not sure what difference our weekly recycling rituals make when somewhere the size of India and China say Fcuk it - we're burning coal and we don't care about the environment.

So we stop recycling then?

You carry on mate... oh and eat carrots as they help you see in the dark (according to WWII propaganda)

At least your reply to me didn't resort to calling me a racist for pointing out India's environmental shortcomings mate...... Respect!

Do you feel that we shouldn't do anything to combat climate change because India and China aren't? That's how you are coming across.

It's not just about recycling though is it?

As Forest alluded to, fracking is an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

Is it though?

Fcuk all gets done in this country because of eco warriors and their objections to everything.

Never any ground beaking solutions to problems, just reasons why we can't do things.

ground-breaking solutions great pun

There are a few main reasons why nothing will get done.
1. It suits 'the west' to have emerging economies, which have little in the way of constraints for the environment or Health & Safety.
Remind me again why the Union Carbide plant was built in India ? Was it to help the poor Indian economy ? or because there's no way it could have been built in the USA or Europe.
2. 'the west' could sell affordable modern cars (for example) to African nations. But car manufacturers choose a 'closed market' policy, which is why so many Africans drive Ford Cortinas, and other cars of the pre-environment era.
3. Just because the UK had to start to sort its own affairs out (1956 Clean Air Act, 1990 Environment Protection Act), does not encumber other nations to do the same.
4. The UK has a 4-5 year political cycle (General Elections). No political Party is going to invest squillions of �� for a long-term energy/environment strategy, when they are unlikely to be in power to reap the benefits

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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Very good piece by George Monbiot on Cameron's hypocrisy with regards 'security': [Link] While I understand the exasperation of people on this thread with regards to other nations doing nothing, you have to look at the fact that we are the only G7 nation who has increased subsidies for fossil fuel emitters. What incentive do emerging economies like China and India have to change when we're actually going backwards on our environmental pledges? Paris seems to have happened at the worst possible time, with countries like Russia, Turkey, the UK, France, even the US, more intent on political posturing and the situation in the Middle East than what is, let's not forget, a catastrophe which has and will involve far greater losses than any terrorist atrocities. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Very good piece by George Monbiot on Cameron's hypocrisy with regards 'security': [Link]

While I understand the exasperation of people on this thread with regards to other nations doing nothing, you have to look at the fact that we are the only G7 nation who has increased subsidies for fossil fuel emitters. What incentive do emerging economies like China and India have to change when we're actually going backwards on our environmental pledges?

Paris seems to have happened at the worst possible time, with countries like Russia, Turkey, the UK, France, even the US, more intent on political posturing and the situation in the Middle East than what is, let's not forget, a catastrophe which has and will involve far greater losses than any terrorist atrocities.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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