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The military might of Nato ground troops v 30,000 of them. They'd all be seeing Allah a little bit quicker than they hoped. Won't happen, of course, but would make things a bit tidier in that part of Syria. The country is going to have to be partitioned sooner or later anyway. Optimistic, its astonishing what 30,000 fighters, in a guerrilla conflict, can actually establish. Plus the estimate varies for 30,000 to 70,000 fighters. You have to remember that behind that figure will sit a lot of logistical, command and support individuals as well. 30,000 people actually doing the fighting is a pretty large figure. I think for NATO for each person actually fighting, there are at least five to eight people ensuring that capacity. So if IS has 30,000 in the field it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine it has up to 150,000 active members.
The Kurds have retaken one or two places fairly comfortably. I think you may be over-estimating them. But the longer it is left the less I will be perhaps under-estimating them. Stalingrad? Arguably that was a military disaster for both sides. In fact Stalingrad and Lenningrad cost the Germans the war (and the soviets millions of casualties). Encirclement is a very difficult military strategy to maintain, as it essentially exposes both a front line to the enemy, and supply and logistical lines to partisan / guerrilla forces and reducing your capacity to pacify areas outside the encircled area, whilst still exposing your troops to hostile attacks inside the encircled area. Then you have to consider the civilian consequences. The problem of a modern army is it is utterly dependent on supply to continue to fight. By exposing your supply lines like this, you offer up soft targets to the enemy (essentially a front line is utilised to restrict the enemies capacity to utilise unpacified territory, to stage counter attacks and cut off supply lines. The Germans failed to pacify the areas outside of their 'sieges' despite utilising extermination policy (after the Soviets had utilised a scorched earth policy in retreat). The Kurds retook areas they lost, in open conflict, with total air dominance, but they did suffer significant casualties. In terms of casualties, a military campaign on the ground against IS would probably be reasonable to assume around 1000-3000 deaths of servicemen, and another 6000 significantly wounded.
I am sure this is a coincidence but sometimes Jamie's posts on a subject match, almost word for word, the Wikipedia entry on that particular subject. I wasn't aware that HOL Online required full Harvard Referencing. Sometimes I'll refer to Wikipedia, usually about something I'm not sure about, or where its a question of facts that are referenced. Often though, I'll use the Open University Library sources, as I'm a member (as a registered student), its nearly as quick, online and surprisingly vast. I generally won't use wikipedo unless the reference checks out. How about you, what sources do you use? I generally source information from Davidicke.com, the official website of the Black Panthers, various websites that are favourable to Serbian 'patriot' Arkan, various websites of Ugandan preachers, The Guardian and maturehairypussy.com. But then I don't pretend to know everything.
I quite agree with maturehairypussy.com you can learn a lot there. I don't pretend to know everything, you clearly just think I do
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Quote nairb75 at 02 Dec 2015 3.48pm
how about we start holding the saudis responsible for their terrorist funding. or at least have them send some soldiers to do some of the dirty work. The Saudi royal family will all shag pigs in public before this happens.
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Quote nairb75 at 02 Dec 2015 3.48pm
how about we start holding the saudis responsible for their terrorist funding. or at least have them send some soldiers to do some of the dirty work. The idea is to win the war with ISIS not hand it to them on a plate.
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| matt_himself Matataland 02 Dec 15 7.55pm |
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The military might of Nato ground troops v 30,000 of them. They'd all be seeing Allah a little bit quicker than they hoped. Won't happen, of course, but would make things a bit tidier in that part of Syria. The country is going to have to be partitioned sooner or later anyway. Optimistic, its astonishing what 30,000 fighters, in a guerrilla conflict, can actually establish. Plus the estimate varies for 30,000 to 70,000 fighters. You have to remember that behind that figure will sit a lot of logistical, command and support individuals as well. 30,000 people actually doing the fighting is a pretty large figure. I think for NATO for each person actually fighting, there are at least five to eight people ensuring that capacity. So if IS has 30,000 in the field it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine it has up to 150,000 active members.
The Kurds have retaken one or two places fairly comfortably. I think you may be over-estimating them. But the longer it is left the less I will be perhaps under-estimating them. Stalingrad? Arguably that was a military disaster for both sides. In fact Stalingrad and Lenningrad cost the Germans the war (and the soviets millions of casualties). Encirclement is a very difficult military strategy to maintain, as it essentially exposes both a front line to the enemy, and supply and logistical lines to partisan / guerrilla forces and reducing your capacity to pacify areas outside the encircled area, whilst still exposing your troops to hostile attacks inside the encircled area. Then you have to consider the civilian consequences. The problem of a modern army is it is utterly dependent on supply to continue to fight. By exposing your supply lines like this, you offer up soft targets to the enemy (essentially a front line is utilised to restrict the enemies capacity to utilise unpacified territory, to stage counter attacks and cut off supply lines. The Germans failed to pacify the areas outside of their 'sieges' despite utilising extermination policy (after the Soviets had utilised a scorched earth policy in retreat). The Kurds retook areas they lost, in open conflict, with total air dominance, but they did suffer significant casualties. In terms of casualties, a military campaign on the ground against IS would probably be reasonable to assume around 1000-3000 deaths of servicemen, and another 6000 significantly wounded.
I am sure this is a coincidence but sometimes Jamie's posts on a subject match, almost word for word, the Wikipedia entry on that particular subject. I wasn't aware that HOL Online required full Harvard Referencing. Sometimes I'll refer to Wikipedia, usually about something I'm not sure about, or where its a question of facts that are referenced. Often though, I'll use the Open University Library sources, as I'm a member (as a registered student), its nearly as quick, online and surprisingly vast. I generally won't use wikipedo unless the reference checks out. How about you, what sources do you use? I generally source information from Davidicke.com, the official website of the Black Panthers, various websites that are favourable to Serbian 'patriot' Arkan, various websites of Ugandan preachers, The Guardian and maturehairypussy.com. But then I don't pretend to know everything.
I quite agree with maturehairypussy.com you can learn a lot there. I don't pretend to know everything, you clearly just think I do
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The military might of Nato ground troops v 30,000 of them. They'd all be seeing Allah a little bit quicker than they hoped. Won't happen, of course, but would make things a bit tidier in that part of Syria. The country is going to have to be partitioned sooner or later anyway. Optimistic, its astonishing what 30,000 fighters, in a guerrilla conflict, can actually establish. Plus the estimate varies for 30,000 to 70,000 fighters. You have to remember that behind that figure will sit a lot of logistical, command and support individuals as well. 30,000 people actually doing the fighting is a pretty large figure. I think for NATO for each person actually fighting, there are at least five to eight people ensuring that capacity. So if IS has 30,000 in the field it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine it has up to 150,000 active members.
The Kurds have retaken one or two places fairly comfortably. I think you may be over-estimating them. But the longer it is left the less I will be perhaps under-estimating them. Stalingrad? Arguably that was a military disaster for both sides. In fact Stalingrad and Lenningrad cost the Germans the war (and the soviets millions of casualties). Encirclement is a very difficult military strategy to maintain, as it essentially exposes both a front line to the enemy, and supply and logistical lines to partisan / guerrilla forces and reducing your capacity to pacify areas outside the encircled area, whilst still exposing your troops to hostile attacks inside the encircled area. Then you have to consider the civilian consequences. The problem of a modern army is it is utterly dependent on supply to continue to fight. By exposing your supply lines like this, you offer up soft targets to the enemy (essentially a front line is utilised to restrict the enemies capacity to utilise unpacified territory, to stage counter attacks and cut off supply lines. The Germans failed to pacify the areas outside of their 'sieges' despite utilising extermination policy (after the Soviets had utilised a scorched earth policy in retreat). The Kurds retook areas they lost, in open conflict, with total air dominance, but they did suffer significant casualties. In terms of casualties, a military campaign on the ground against IS would probably be reasonable to assume around 1000-3000 deaths of servicemen, and another 6000 significantly wounded.
I am sure this is a coincidence but sometimes Jamie's posts on a subject match, almost word for word, the Wikipedia entry on that particular subject. I wasn't aware that HOL Online required full Harvard Referencing. Sometimes I'll refer to Wikipedia, usually about something I'm not sure about, or where its a question of facts that are referenced. Often though, I'll use the Open University Library sources, as I'm a member (as a registered student), its nearly as quick, online and surprisingly vast. I generally won't use wikipedo unless the reference checks out. How about you, what sources do you use? I generally source information from Davidicke.com, the official website of the Black Panthers, various websites that are favourable to Serbian 'patriot' Arkan, various websites of Ugandan preachers, The Guardian and maturehairypussy.com. But then I don't pretend to know everything.
I quite agree with maturehairypussy.com you can learn a lot there. I don't pretend to know everything, you clearly just think I do
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| matt_himself Matataland 02 Dec 15 9.47pm |
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The military might of Nato ground troops v 30,000 of them. They'd all be seeing Allah a little bit quicker than they hoped. Won't happen, of course, but would make things a bit tidier in that part of Syria. The country is going to have to be partitioned sooner or later anyway. Optimistic, its astonishing what 30,000 fighters, in a guerrilla conflict, can actually establish. Plus the estimate varies for 30,000 to 70,000 fighters. You have to remember that behind that figure will sit a lot of logistical, command and support individuals as well. 30,000 people actually doing the fighting is a pretty large figure. I think for NATO for each person actually fighting, there are at least five to eight people ensuring that capacity. So if IS has 30,000 in the field it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine it has up to 150,000 active members.
The Kurds have retaken one or two places fairly comfortably. I think you may be over-estimating them. But the longer it is left the less I will be perhaps under-estimating them. Stalingrad? Arguably that was a military disaster for both sides. In fact Stalingrad and Lenningrad cost the Germans the war (and the soviets millions of casualties). Encirclement is a very difficult military strategy to maintain, as it essentially exposes both a front line to the enemy, and supply and logistical lines to partisan / guerrilla forces and reducing your capacity to pacify areas outside the encircled area, whilst still exposing your troops to hostile attacks inside the encircled area. Then you have to consider the civilian consequences. The problem of a modern army is it is utterly dependent on supply to continue to fight. By exposing your supply lines like this, you offer up soft targets to the enemy (essentially a front line is utilised to restrict the enemies capacity to utilise unpacified territory, to stage counter attacks and cut off supply lines. The Germans failed to pacify the areas outside of their 'sieges' despite utilising extermination policy (after the Soviets had utilised a scorched earth policy in retreat). The Kurds retook areas they lost, in open conflict, with total air dominance, but they did suffer significant casualties. In terms of casualties, a military campaign on the ground against IS would probably be reasonable to assume around 1000-3000 deaths of servicemen, and another 6000 significantly wounded.
I am sure this is a coincidence but sometimes Jamie's posts on a subject match, almost word for word, the Wikipedia entry on that particular subject. I wasn't aware that HOL Online required full Harvard Referencing. Sometimes I'll refer to Wikipedia, usually about something I'm not sure about, or where its a question of facts that are referenced. Often though, I'll use the Open University Library sources, as I'm a member (as a registered student), its nearly as quick, online and surprisingly vast. I generally won't use wikipedo unless the reference checks out. How about you, what sources do you use? I generally source information from Davidicke.com, the official website of the Black Panthers, various websites that are favourable to Serbian 'patriot' Arkan, various websites of Ugandan preachers, The Guardian and maturehairypussy.com. But then I don't pretend to know everything.
I quite agree with maturehairypussy.com you can learn a lot there. I don't pretend to know everything, you clearly just think I do
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The military might of Nato ground troops v 30,000 of them. They'd all be seeing Allah a little bit quicker than they hoped. Won't happen, of course, but would make things a bit tidier in that part of Syria. The country is going to have to be partitioned sooner or later anyway. Optimistic, its astonishing what 30,000 fighters, in a guerrilla conflict, can actually establish. Plus the estimate varies for 30,000 to 70,000 fighters. You have to remember that behind that figure will sit a lot of logistical, command and support individuals as well. 30,000 people actually doing the fighting is a pretty large figure. I think for NATO for each person actually fighting, there are at least five to eight people ensuring that capacity. So if IS has 30,000 in the field it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine it has up to 150,000 active members.
The Kurds have retaken one or two places fairly comfortably. I think you may be over-estimating them. But the longer it is left the less I will be perhaps under-estimating them. Stalingrad? Arguably that was a military disaster for both sides. In fact Stalingrad and Lenningrad cost the Germans the war (and the soviets millions of casualties). Encirclement is a very difficult military strategy to maintain, as it essentially exposes both a front line to the enemy, and supply and logistical lines to partisan / guerrilla forces and reducing your capacity to pacify areas outside the encircled area, whilst still exposing your troops to hostile attacks inside the encircled area. Then you have to consider the civilian consequences. The problem of a modern army is it is utterly dependent on supply to continue to fight. By exposing your supply lines like this, you offer up soft targets to the enemy (essentially a front line is utilised to restrict the enemies capacity to utilise unpacified territory, to stage counter attacks and cut off supply lines. The Germans failed to pacify the areas outside of their 'sieges' despite utilising extermination policy (after the Soviets had utilised a scorched earth policy in retreat). The Kurds retook areas they lost, in open conflict, with total air dominance, but they did suffer significant casualties. In terms of casualties, a military campaign on the ground against IS would probably be reasonable to assume around 1000-3000 deaths of servicemen, and another 6000 significantly wounded.
I am sure this is a coincidence but sometimes Jamie's posts on a subject match, almost word for word, the Wikipedia entry on that particular subject. I wasn't aware that HOL Online required full Harvard Referencing. Sometimes I'll refer to Wikipedia, usually about something I'm not sure about, or where its a question of facts that are referenced. Often though, I'll use the Open University Library sources, as I'm a member (as a registered student), its nearly as quick, online and surprisingly vast. I generally won't use wikipedo unless the reference checks out. How about you, what sources do you use? I generally source information from Davidicke.com, the official website of the Black Panthers, various websites that are favourable to Serbian 'patriot' Arkan, various websites of Ugandan preachers, The Guardian and maturehairypussy.com. But then I don't pretend to know everything.
I quite agree with maturehairypussy.com you can learn a lot there. I don't pretend to know everything, you clearly just think I do
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The military might of Nato ground troops v 30,000 of them. They'd all be seeing Allah a little bit quicker than they hoped. Won't happen, of course, but would make things a bit tidier in that part of Syria. The country is going to have to be partitioned sooner or later anyway. Optimistic, its astonishing what 30,000 fighters, in a guerrilla conflict, can actually establish. Plus the estimate varies for 30,000 to 70,000 fighters. You have to remember that behind that figure will sit a lot of logistical, command and support individuals as well. 30,000 people actually doing the fighting is a pretty large figure. I think for NATO for each person actually fighting, there are at least five to eight people ensuring that capacity. So if IS has 30,000 in the field it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine it has up to 150,000 active members.
The Kurds have retaken one or two places fairly comfortably. I think you may be over-estimating them. But the longer it is left the less I will be perhaps under-estimating them. Stalingrad? Arguably that was a military disaster for both sides. In fact Stalingrad and Lenningrad cost the Germans the war (and the soviets millions of casualties). Encirclement is a very difficult military strategy to maintain, as it essentially exposes both a front line to the enemy, and supply and logistical lines to partisan / guerrilla forces and reducing your capacity to pacify areas outside the encircled area, whilst still exposing your troops to hostile attacks inside the encircled area. Then you have to consider the civilian consequences. The problem of a modern army is it is utterly dependent on supply to continue to fight. By exposing your supply lines like this, you offer up soft targets to the enemy (essentially a front line is utilised to restrict the enemies capacity to utilise unpacified territory, to stage counter attacks and cut off supply lines. The Germans failed to pacify the areas outside of their 'sieges' despite utilising extermination policy (after the Soviets had utilised a scorched earth policy in retreat). The Kurds retook areas they lost, in open conflict, with total air dominance, but they did suffer significant casualties. In terms of casualties, a military campaign on the ground against IS would probably be reasonable to assume around 1000-3000 deaths of servicemen, and another 6000 significantly wounded.
I am sure this is a coincidence but sometimes Jamie's posts on a subject match, almost word for word, the Wikipedia entry on that particular subject. I wasn't aware that HOL Online required full Harvard Referencing. Sometimes I'll refer to Wikipedia, usually about something I'm not sure about, or where its a question of facts that are referenced. Often though, I'll use the Open University Library sources, as I'm a member (as a registered student), its nearly as quick, online and surprisingly vast. I generally won't use wikipedo unless the reference checks out. How about you, what sources do you use? I generally source information from Davidicke.com, the official website of the Black Panthers, various websites that are favourable to Serbian 'patriot' Arkan, various websites of Ugandan preachers, The Guardian and maturehairypussy.com. But then I don't pretend to know everything.
I quite agree with maturehairypussy.com you can learn a lot there. I don't pretend to know everything, you clearly just think I do
I'm not, I just picked a figure based on an estimate of comparative casualties from US history based on Iraq. I think we can expect more British Service men to be killed and a lot of wounded from a full scale military deployment across Syria, against an army that seems to be fairly well equipped and experienced. How many people do you think will be killed, maimed or otherwise damaged from a conflict against IS? As someone who's actually fought and been part of military operations I think you probably have a far more valuable insight. Edited by jamiemartin721 (03 Dec 2015 9.15am)
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