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legaleagle 16 May 17 9.45am
BBC gets it in the neck from both sides actually,so must be doing something relatively right.. [Link] Even dear Nige, patron saint of the HOL Breiteers admitted BBC coverage of the referendum was "fair and balanced". Those in power and their policies will always (rightly) face more probing..whoever they are...the day that stops we move another step towards the brave new world where even judges simply upholding the law can be described by the Brexit media lobby as "enemies of the people".Pity more people on here weren't frothing about that as opposed to the supposedly dastardly BBC.
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legaleagle

16 May 17 9.45am

BBC gets it in the neck from both sides actually,so must be doing something relatively right..

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Even dear Nige, patron saint of the HOL Breiteers admitted BBC coverage of the referendum was "fair and balanced".

Those in power and their policies will always (rightly) face more probing..whoever they are...the day that stops we move another step towards the brave new world where even judges simply upholding the law can be described by the Brexit media lobby as "enemies of the people".Pity more people on here weren't frothing about that as opposed to the supposedly dastardly BBC.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 16 May 17 10.16am
Originally posted by legaleagle BBC gets it in the neck from both sides actually,so must be doing something relatively right.. [Link] Even dear Nige, patron saint of the HOL Breiteers admitted BBC coverage of the referendum was "fair and balanced". Those in power and their policies will always (rightly) face more probing..whoever they are...the day that stops we move another step towards the brave new world where even judges simply upholding the law can be described by the Brexit media lobby as "enemies of the people".Pity more people on here weren't frothing about that as opposed to the supposedly dastardly BBC. Well of course, the remoaners are going to complain about the BBC because they want to spread their propaganda on national TV. I was actually surprised myself they didn't cover it going by past experience. I saw videos from pro Brexit marches on the Leave.EU Facebook page during the campaign that were not on TV. I just want a 50-50 balance, which the report shows hasn't been the case. I specifically refer to the BBC as it is funded by the licence payer and has a duty to be centrist and not the "enemies of the people" headline from the well-know Brexit-supporting Daily Mail. Why do you compare apples to oranges?
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 16 May 17 10.16am

Originally posted by legaleagle

BBC gets it in the neck from both sides actually,so must be doing something relatively right..

[Link]

Even dear Nige, patron saint of the HOL Breiteers admitted BBC coverage of the referendum was "fair and balanced".

Well of course, the remoaners are going to complain about the BBC because they want to spread their propaganda on national TV. I was actually surprised myself they didn't cover it going by past experience. I saw videos from pro Brexit marches on the Leave.EU Facebook page during the campaign that were not on TV. I just want a 50-50 balance, which the report shows hasn't been the case.

I specifically refer to the BBC as it is funded by the licence payer and has a duty to be centrist and not the "enemies of the people" headline from the well-know Brexit-supporting Daily Mail.

Why do you compare apples to oranges?

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legaleagle 16 May 17 10.28am
I am not comparing apples to oranges.I was not comparing the Daily Mail with the BBC.I was commenting on the outlook of those who would not be outraged by the characterisation of judges upholding the law as "enemies of the people" (the new brexiterers' intolerance?)but are outraged by what they perceive as anti Brexit bias by the BBC,but which IMHO is simply healthy and robust examination of those in power and their policies.. The common theme being a step towards an antipathy any "state" outlet not proudly flying the flag of "state policy" a la Pravda or China Today
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16 May 17 10.28am

I am not comparing apples to oranges.I was not comparing the Daily Mail with the BBC.I was commenting on the outlook of those who would not be outraged by the characterisation of judges upholding the law as "enemies of the people" (the new brexiterers' intolerance?)but are outraged by what they perceive as anti Brexit bias by the BBC,but which IMHO is simply healthy and robust examination of those in power and their policies..

The common theme being a step towards an antipathy any "state" outlet not proudly flying the flag of "state policy" a la Pravda or China Today

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 16 May 17 10.47am
Originally posted by legaleagle I am not comparing apples to oranges.I was not comparing the Daily Mail with the BBC.I was commenting on the outlook of those who would not be outraged by the characterisation of judges upholding the law as "enemies of the people" (the new brexiterers' intolerance?)but are outraged by what they perceive as anti Brexit bias by the BBC,but which IMHO is simply healthy and robust examination of those in power and their policies.. The common theme being a step towards an antipathy any "state" outlet not proudly flying the flag of "state policy" a la Pravda or China Today So you're comparing how Brexiteers view the courts with how they view the BBC? Apples and oranges. The "intolerance" you refer to is separate issue. Yes I agree with you, there needs to be "healthy and robust examination of those in power and their policies" by the likes of the BBC. But it should be done so even handedly on both sides. The report says otherwise. Edited by Penge Eagle (16 May 2017 10.48am)
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 16 May 17 10.47am

Originally posted by legaleagle

The common theme being a step towards an antipathy any "state" outlet not proudly flying the flag of "state policy" a la Pravda or China Today

So you're comparing how Brexiteers view the courts with how they view the BBC? Apples and oranges. The "intolerance" you refer to is separate issue.

Yes I agree with you, there needs to be "healthy and robust examination of those in power and their policies" by the likes of the BBC. But it should be done so even handedly on both sides. The report says otherwise.

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 May 2017 10.48am)

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 16 May 17 12.32pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle The latest News-watch detailed analysis of BBC output, covering the UK�s Article 50 letter and its aftermath, shows heavy bias against the case for Brexit. [Link] The usual cr@p from the BBC as usual. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 16 May 17 12.32pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The latest News-watch detailed analysis of BBC output, covering the UK�s Article 50 letter and its aftermath, shows heavy bias against the case for Brexit. [Link]

The usual cr@p from the BBC as usual.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Stirlingsays 16 May 17 12.37pm
Originally posted by legaleagle BBC gets it in the neck from both sides actually,so must be doing something relatively right.. [Link] Even dear Nige, patron saint of the HOL Breiteers admitted BBC coverage of the referendum was "fair and balanced". Those in power and their policies will always (rightly) face more probing..whoever they are...the day that stops we move another step towards the brave new world where even judges simply upholding the law can be described by the Brexit media lobby as "enemies of the people".Pity more people on here weren't frothing about that as opposed to the supposedly dastardly BBC. 'Those in power and their policies will always (rightly) face more probing..whoever they are' Well, I remember the coverage during the Brexit campaigns. I don't remember it being balanced at all. 'Those in power' at this time were campaigning for remain. I have some sympathy for your defence of the BBC...I was once the same....But I don't think they have got the balance right at all. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 12.37pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 May 17 12.37pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

BBC gets it in the neck from both sides actually,so must be doing something relatively right..

[Link]

Even dear Nige, patron saint of the HOL Breiteers admitted BBC coverage of the referendum was "fair and balanced".

'Those in power and their policies will always (rightly) face more probing..whoever they are'

Well, I remember the coverage during the Brexit campaigns. I don't remember it being balanced at all.

'Those in power' at this time were campaigning for remain.

I have some sympathy for your defence of the BBC...I was once the same....But I don't think they have got the balance right at all.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 12.37pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 May 17 1.32pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'Those in power and their policies will always (rightly) face more probing..whoever they are' Well, I remember the coverage during the Brexit campaigns. I don't remember it being balanced at all. 'Those in power' at this time were campaigning for remain. I have some sympathy for your defence of the BBC...I was once the same....But I don't think they have got the balance right at all. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 12.37pm) I agree with this. The BBC is a long way from being impartial these days. However, what it's done has been to nail its colours to the Establishment mast very firmly. The Establishment is all about maintaining the Status Quo, which paradoxically makes it Pro Tory but also pro low-wage economy, so anti-Brexit). It's 100% on message and about as far from being the even-handed critic of anything as it's ever been. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 May 17 1.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'Those in power and their policies will always (rightly) face more probing..whoever they are'

Well, I remember the coverage during the Brexit campaigns. I don't remember it being balanced at all.

'Those in power' at this time were campaigning for remain.

I have some sympathy for your defence of the BBC...I was once the same....But I don't think they have got the balance right at all.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 12.37pm)

I agree with this.

The BBC is a long way from being impartial these days. However, what it's done has been to nail its colours to the Establishment mast very firmly.

The Establishment is all about maintaining the Status Quo, which paradoxically makes it Pro Tory but also pro low-wage economy, so anti-Brexit).

It's 100% on message and about as far from being the even-handed critic of anything as it's ever been.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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legaleagle 16 May 17 1.33pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle So you're comparing how Brexiteers view the courts with how they view the BBC? Apples and oranges. The "intolerance" you refer to is separate issue. Yes I agree with you, there needs to be "healthy and robust examination of those in power and their policies" by the likes of the BBC. But it should be done so even handedly on both sides. The report says otherwise. Edited by Penge Eagle (16 May 2017 10.48am) Still unclear why I am said to be comparing oranges and apples...but let's move on, By definition there is one group/s in power at any given time.Thus,the robust examination you refer to will be likely to more focused on them since they are the ones actually doing things at the given time
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legaleagle

16 May 17 1.33pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

So you're comparing how Brexiteers view the courts with how they view the BBC? Apples and oranges. The "intolerance" you refer to is separate issue.

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 May 2017 10.48am)

Still unclear why I am said to be comparing oranges and apples...but let's move on,

By definition there is one group/s in power at any given time.Thus,the robust examination you refer to will be likely to more focused on them since they are the ones actually doing things at the given time

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Stirlingsays 16 May 17 1.39pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle I agree with this. The BBC is a long way from being impartial these days. However, what it's done has been to nail its colours to the Establishment mast very firmly. The Establishment is all about maintaining the Status Quo, which paradoxically makes it Pro Tory but also pro low-wage economy, so anti-Brexit). It's 100% on message and about as far from being the even-handed critic of anything as it's ever been. I agree. The BBC contains lots of good people but it is hugely class ridden. I would have more sympathy for its push on diversity if this was also included. The BBC employs in its own image. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 May 17 1.39pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

I agree with this.

The BBC is a long way from being impartial these days. However, what it's done has been to nail its colours to the Establishment mast very firmly.

The Establishment is all about maintaining the Status Quo, which paradoxically makes it Pro Tory but also pro low-wage economy, so anti-Brexit).

It's 100% on message and about as far from being the even-handed critic of anything as it's ever been.

I agree.

The BBC contains lots of good people but it is hugely class ridden. I would have more sympathy for its push on diversity if this was also included.

The BBC employs in its own image.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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legaleagle 16 May 17 1.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, I remember the coverage during the Brexit campaigns. I don't remember it being balanced at all. 'Those in power' at this time were campaigning for remain. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 12.37pm) Nigel Farage in December 2016 praised the BBC's coverage in the run-up to Britain's referendum on EU membership as "fair and balanced". He told a media conference in Copenhagen that the public broadcaster had done everything it could to be fair. Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2017 1.40pm)
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legaleagle

16 May 17 1.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, I remember the coverage during the Brexit campaigns. I don't remember it being balanced at all.

'Those in power' at this time were campaigning for remain.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2017 12.37pm)

Nigel Farage in December 2016 praised the BBC's coverage in the run-up to Britain's referendum on EU membership as "fair and balanced".
He told a media conference in Copenhagen that the public broadcaster had done everything it could to be fair.

Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2017 1.40pm)

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Stirlingsays 16 May 17 1.52pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Nigel Farage in December 2016 praised the BBC's coverage in the run-up to Britain's referendum on EU membership as "fair and balanced". He told a media conference in Copenhagen that the public broadcaster had done everything it could to be fair. Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2017 1.40pm) Well, Nigel Farage was clearly talking bollocks then. You do appear to have some strange ideas in your head about what is important to people. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 May 17 1.52pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2017 1.40pm)

Well, Nigel Farage was clearly talking bollocks then.

You do appear to have some strange ideas in your head about what is important to people.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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