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Quote nickgusset at 04 Dec 2015 10.15am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
I will be surprised if the claims Farage is making aren't true at least in part.
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 04 Dec 15 10.21am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.19am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Dec 2015 10.15am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
I will be surprised if the claims Farage is making aren't true at least in part. Your prediction about the result was way out.
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| Hoof Hearted 04 Dec 15 10.23am | |
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Quote nickgusset at 04 Dec 2015 10.21am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.19am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Dec 2015 10.15am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
I will be surprised if the claims Farage is making aren't true at least in part. Your prediction about the result was way out.
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 matt_himself Matataland 04 Dec 15 10.25am |
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Quote nickgusset at 04 Dec 2015 10.16am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
Farage claims the vote was rigged and will make a formal complaint about the process - particularly postal votes.
Asians not voting for UKIP shocker! I wonder why...
It would do you good to meet some minorities and talk with them about their political beliefs rather than assume matters based in prejudice, from the safety of your white populated suburban bolt hole.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Dec 15 10.26am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
Farage claims the vote was rigged and will make a formal complaint about the process - particularly postal votes. He spoke on R4's Today Programme and said his observers witnessed a "huge bundle" of postal votes arriving at one Polling Station - this is illegal (if true) as postal votes must be placed in a letter box and sent to the town hall for verification before the voting slips are put into the count. He also said one ballot box had a 99% result for Labour - which in itself defied the odds of probability, so that box must have been tampered with. He also said that a lot of the Asian voters were coerced into voting Labour by community leaders, many of whom were councillors, or mosque imams. They were able to do this more easily to non-english speaking voters but others felt intimidated because they lived in council homes and were worried about going against councillors "recommendations". Strong words/accusations... but we saw this happen in Tower Hamlets and constituencies in Birmingham where the election was deemed null and void and another election called. Ignoring this development, the turnout was very low, favouring Labour and Oldham does have a large Asian community who are/were never likely to vote UKIP and if they do decide to run it again I doubt that UKIP could win that seat. It would be nice though to see proper Parliamentary process observed and not corruption of postal voting once again. Possibly, I hope its not true. personally I think anyone engaging in electoral fraud should be tried as a traitor and face a life sentence, given they're betraying the very fundamental shared value of a democratic country. That said, I doubt the 99% Labour claim, given that surely no professional pole fraudster is going to be that obvious (surely you'd spread it about). But I think we should wait for the outcome of UKIPs protests - Some of which pang of double standards and hyperbole. Its a good victory for Corbyn, who hasn't exactly had or pursued and easy time in opposition. Whilst its a safe seat, had Labour lost, it would have been a disaster. The low turn out, well in a safe seat, that tends to more affect the 'safe candidate' rather than the opposition. I'm inclined to agree with a lot of those who support Corbyn, that he actually appeals far more to the Labour Party members and supporters - esp those who left due to new labour, as well as being a labour candidate that has drawn voters from miscellaneous left wing (I've never voted labour, but I'd consider voting for Corbyn Labour rather than Green or a Socialist movement, something that has never happened to me before).
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Dec 15 10.28am |
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Quote matt_himself at 04 Dec 2015 10.25am
Quote nickgusset at 04 Dec 2015 10.16am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
Farage claims the vote was rigged and will make a formal complaint about the process - particularly postal votes.
Asians not voting for UKIP shocker! I wonder why...
It would do you good to meet some minorities and talk with them about their political beliefs rather than assume matters based in prejudice, from the safety of your white populated suburban bolt hole. Indeed, most Indian Hindu's I know tend to vote conservative or failing that liberal democrat, rather than Labour - Though I've not met too many that are comfortable with UKIP.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Dec 15 10.34am |
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Quote dannyh at 04 Dec 2015 10.17am
Why is anything to do with Labour these days always seedy and underhand. They have become the greasey lecherous free loading uncle that no likes at family parties. I give it one a few years before Hilary Benn is leading labour, and that will give Cameron something to think about as at the moment with that dick head corbyn in charge the torys are home free. These days. I'd say things have massively improved from the days of Blair and Brown. The fiasco of the leadership election, ultimately won by a relative unknown backbencher, has given them a new lease of life - and that seedy, nastiness, seems to me, be the last remenants of 'New Labour' (The death of the myth of the third way and corporate labour). At last we have a PM who's opposition isn't just a different flavour, but actual outright opposition.
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Frickin Saweet  South Cronx 04 Dec 15 10.55am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
Farage claims the vote was rigged and will make a formal complaint about the process - particularly postal votes. He spoke on R4's Today Programme and said his observers witnessed a "huge bundle" of postal votes arriving at one Polling Station - this is illegal (if true) as postal votes must be placed in a letter box and sent to the town hall for verification before the voting slips are put into the count. He also said one ballot box had a 99% result for Labour - which in itself defied the odds of probability, so that box must have been tampered with. He also said that a lot of the Asian voters were coerced into voting Labour by community leaders, many of whom were councillors, or mosque imams. They were able to do this more easily to non-english speaking voters but others felt intimidated because they lived in council homes and were worried about going against councillors "recommendations". Strong words/accusations... but we saw this happen in Tower Hamlets and constituencies in Birmingham where the election was deemed null and void and another election called. Ignoring this development, the turnout was very low, favouring Labour and Oldham does have a large Asian community who are/were never likely to vote UKIP and if they do decide to run it again I doubt that UKIP could win that seat. It would be nice though to see proper Parliamentary process observed and not allegations of corruption of postal voting once again. Edited by Hoof Hearted (04 Dec 2015 10.20am) surely no one in this day and age (in the UK) thinks they can get away with rigging votes. I can believe that stupid people didn't follow procedure i.e. using sacks instead of a letter box or whatever, but not that someone else was sat there putting ticks for Labour on ballot papers to secure a win
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 04 Dec 15 10.56am |
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Oh dear, how sour are the grapes when things don't go as Tory and UKIP voters wished? You really do need to learn to be magnanimous in defeat
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| Hoof Hearted 04 Dec 15 11.07am | |
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Quote Frickin Saweet at 04 Dec 2015 10.55am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
Farage claims the vote was rigged and will make a formal complaint about the process - particularly postal votes. He spoke on R4's Today Programme and said his observers witnessed a "huge bundle" of postal votes arriving at one Polling Station - this is illegal (if true) as postal votes must be placed in a letter box and sent to the town hall for verification before the voting slips are put into the count. He also said one ballot box had a 99% result for Labour - which in itself defied the odds of probability, so that box must have been tampered with. He also said that a lot of the Asian voters were coerced into voting Labour by community leaders, many of whom were councillors, or mosque imams. They were able to do this more easily to non-english speaking voters but others felt intimidated because they lived in council homes and were worried about going against councillors "recommendations". Strong words/accusations... but we saw this happen in Tower Hamlets and constituencies in Birmingham where the election was deemed null and void and another election called. Ignoring this development, the turnout was very low, favouring Labour and Oldham does have a large Asian community who are/were never likely to vote UKIP and if they do decide to run it again I doubt that UKIP could win that seat. It would be nice though to see proper Parliamentary process observed and not allegations of corruption of postal voting once again. Edited by Hoof Hearted (04 Dec 2015 10.20am) surely no one in this day and age (in the UK) thinks they can get away with rigging votes. I can believe that stupid people didn't follow procedure i.e. using sacks instead of a letter box or whatever, but not that someone else was sat there putting ticks for Labour on ballot papers to secure a win ... No but it's a lot easier to remove or spoil any ballot papers that aren't supporting Labour though. Lets see what action Farage's complaint brings about. As I said earlier, there is a precedent (or two) for vote rigging recently in Tower Hamlets. As for sour grapes (bexleydave), I can't speak for others but my feelings are that if it was a fair contest and Labour won honestly, I am happy to accept the result and not about to go out and protest and smash property and fight the police like we saw from the disillusioned left in May. After all, this was a safe seat for Labour. I am quite happy with democracy and FPTP as our method of electing MP's as long as it is processed legally and fairly.
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NickinOX  Sailing country. 04 Dec 15 11.11am |
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Quote Frickin Saweet at 04 Dec 2015 10.55am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
Farage claims the vote was rigged and will make a formal complaint about the process - particularly postal votes. He spoke on R4's Today Programme and said his observers witnessed a "huge bundle" of postal votes arriving at one Polling Station - this is illegal (if true) as postal votes must be placed in a letter box and sent to the town hall for verification before the voting slips are put into the count. He also said one ballot box had a 99% result for Labour - which in itself defied the odds of probability, so that box must have been tampered with. He also said that a lot of the Asian voters were coerced into voting Labour by community leaders, many of whom were councillors, or mosque imams. They were able to do this more easily to non-english speaking voters but others felt intimidated because they lived in council homes and were worried about going against councillors "recommendations". Strong words/accusations... but we saw this happen in Tower Hamlets and constituencies in Birmingham where the election was deemed null and void and another election called. Ignoring this development, the turnout was very low, favouring Labour and Oldham does have a large Asian community who are/were never likely to vote UKIP and if they do decide to run it again I doubt that UKIP could win that seat. It would be nice though to see proper Parliamentary process observed and not allegations of corruption of postal voting once again. Edited by Hoof Hearted (04 Dec 2015 10.20am) surely no one in this day and age (in the UK) thinks they can get away with rigging votes. I can believe that stupid people didn't follow procedure i.e. using sacks instead of a letter box or whatever, but not that someone else was sat there putting ticks for Labour on ballot papers to secure a win It worked pretty well in Tower Hamlets. That being said, even if there was fraud, I doubt it was significant enough to alter the result. It is a result that no one can really brag about. It should be a huge labor majority, UKIP were always going to improve but have not managed to do as well as they hoped, and it sounds like the Tory vote went down. They will all spin it as they want, but that is crap all round.
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 04 Dec 15 11.31am |
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Quote Frickin Saweet at 04 Dec 2015 10.55am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 04 Dec 2015 10.06am
Farage claims the vote was rigged and will make a formal complaint about the process - particularly postal votes. He spoke on R4's Today Programme and said his observers witnessed a "huge bundle" of postal votes arriving at one Polling Station - this is illegal (if true) as postal votes must be placed in a letter box and sent to the town hall for verification before the voting slips are put into the count. He also said one ballot box had a 99% result for Labour - which in itself defied the odds of probability, so that box must have been tampered with. He also said that a lot of the Asian voters were coerced into voting Labour by community leaders, many of whom were councillors, or mosque imams. They were able to do this more easily to non-english speaking voters but others felt intimidated because they lived in council homes and were worried about going against councillors "recommendations". Strong words/accusations... but we saw this happen in Tower Hamlets and constituencies in Birmingham where the election was deemed null and void and another election called. Ignoring this development, the turnout was very low, favouring Labour and Oldham does have a large Asian community who are/were never likely to vote UKIP and if they do decide to run it again I doubt that UKIP could win that seat. It would be nice though to see proper Parliamentary process observed and not allegations of corruption of postal voting once again. Edited by Hoof Hearted (04 Dec 2015 10.20am) surely no one in this day and age (in the UK) thinks they can get away with rigging votes. I can believe that stupid people didn't follow procedure i.e. using sacks instead of a letter box or whatever, but not that someone else was sat there putting ticks for Labour on ballot papers to secure a win
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