Think this is a very sensible post.

I really don't have much time for Trump, but I refused to sign the petition to keep him out of the UK not because I disagree with it, I just think its a totally pointless petition.

For starters he doesn't have any plans to actually visit the UK any time soon meaning the whole question is hypothetical. Banning him would be like if a neighbour from a nearby street rung up telling you that you are 'not welcome' to go to his garden party next weekend (despite never having been invited to begin with) because he is upset by something you said to some people in your own house that he disagrees with despite the message not being directed at him.

The other problem is what if we did ban him and he gets elected? We would find ourselves with all sorts of legal headaches then...

Yes to condemning Trump for being a moron!

No to pointless petitions and legislation...

Trump is electioneering first and foremost but taking his comments on face value, I think he is saying what a lot of people privately think. It has all been said before, but no one, including him I'm sure,believe that all Muslims are responsible for terrorism. It is only that those responsible for recent terrorism are all Muslims. If protection of citizens is the primary objective then a total ban on Muslims entering the country is an option. Now clearly, Muslims aren't going to agree and nor are some sections of the political spectrum for idealogical reasons but that is no reason to start banning anyone especially a potential, albeit unlikely president of the USA.

Identity politics is at work here of course with most politicians queuing up to be more outraged than another over Trump's comments but surely we can all see through that cynical nonsense.
I just wonder how many innocent civilians will have to be killed in the West before our safety starts to become more of an issue that the rights of Muslims in peoples minds and Trump's attitude gains more support. It would be a great tragedy if more terrorism created an atmosphere of anti Muslim sentiment but in the final analysis the majority of people will put their personal safety and that of their loved ones first.

Was Trump's outburst really that bad?

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How could anyone but a ludicrous bleeding heart liberal think it was that bad? And we all know it was their stupid ideas that got us in this mess,anyway.

I mean, what's wrong with,for example,as Trump has,calling for any and all of your own citizens who are muslims who happen to be abroad to be banned from coming back?

Lets apply it to the UK.I know, lets ban the overseas-based musician Richard Thompson from returning.After all,he's a muslim and we all know what they're all like.

Also,lets not forget the various muslims working for the Met and other police forces.Keep them out if they need to go abroad to an anti-terrorism conference.

Lets ban rising Tory MP Sajid Javid or one of the other 15 muslim MPsfrom returning if he goes to an international meeting.Don't leave Syed Kamall, Tory MEP for London out...

Not forgetting TV journalists/presenters like Lisa Aziz and Faisal Islam

Finally,lets not forget any of the various leading UK muslim boxers and cricketers whenever they go abroad.

Don't leave out muslim footballers playing in the UK: Chamakh. Kurt Zouma,Yaya Sanago,Fellaini,Janujaz,Sagna,Nasri,Ya Ya Toure,Chadli,Guedioura I mean,they're all muslims,so they must all be dodgy and excluded,no?If Kuqi ever tries to pay a visit,don't let him in.He's "one of them" too.

Finally,lets not forget what secret agent Trump's real achievement is and will be:to contribute to the very thing the salafist jihadists want most:to drive all muslims into their camp by hoping our reaction to terrorism will be to create a wedge between muslims generally and others.Anjem Choudary no doubt loves Dear Old Donald for that very reason.

Trump's idiocy that bad? No,its not that bad,I agree...its a lot lot more bad (and plain dumb) than that...

Edited by legaleagle (13 Dec 2015 4.21pm)

I agree but what if Trump had said "Wahhabists"?

I feel that as that even on here where people argue about Islam, they argue from a point of view of ignorance.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

It is happening in Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, the Netherlands, Hungary and Poland too. People are waking up to the disastrous policies that the lib/left has inflicted on them - uncontrolled immigration, tolerance of Islamic extremism, the lunacy of the Euro and the EU in general. The Islamic bit is ironic really as the liberals are being punished for their support of the least liberal of ideologies, Islam.