The Recent Floods - Observations/Conclusions?
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Quote Jimenez at 27 Dec 2015 2.46pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 Dec 2015 2.15pm
What were the coalition warned a while back? I think it was something along the lines of, ' for every £1 "saved" in short-term flood defence maintenance/improvements costs £8 in long-term economic damage. ' Edited by nickgusset (27 Dec 2015 2.17pm) AH!! Now its an Issue? Hoofs right of course up to a point. We send millions of pounds overseas in Aid yet seem to treat our problems to a patchwork of the Army, Charity and good old British stoicism.
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jamiemartin721  Reading 28 Dec 15 11.17am |
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Quote Jimenez at 27 Dec 2015 2.46pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 Dec 2015 2.15pm
What were the coalition warned a while back? I think it was something along the lines of, ' for every £1 "saved" in short-term flood defence maintenance/improvements costs £8 in long-term economic damage. ' Edited by nickgusset (27 Dec 2015 2.17pm) AH!! Now its an Issue? Hoofs right of course up to a point. We send millions of pounds overseas in Aid yet seem to treat our problems to a patchwork of the Army, Charity and good old British stoicism. It kind of makes sense, given how rare serious flooding actually is outside of flood planes. You get one or two incidents maybe a year of severe flooding - so spending on it is never going to be a sensible priority. Its like when the UK gets severe snow and shuts down, and everyone complains - but the cost of having the capacity to cope for one or two incidents a year is astronomical compared to the price of compensation for the victims. I agree that a certain degree of capacity is required but people tend to forget that most aid is actually incentives that feed back into the British economy and business interests. The UK might, say, give 10m in aid to Turkey for clean water projects which end up being contracts awarded to Thames Water UK etc. That's generally how aid works, it comes with strings.
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 Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 28 Dec 15 5.43pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Dec 2015 11.17am
Quote Jimenez at 27 Dec 2015 2.46pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 Dec 2015 2.15pm
What were the coalition warned a while back? I think it was something along the lines of, ' for every £1 "saved" in short-term flood defence maintenance/improvements costs £8 in long-term economic damage. ' Edited by nickgusset (27 Dec 2015 2.17pm) AH!! Now its an Issue? Hoofs right of course up to a point. We send millions of pounds overseas in Aid yet seem to treat our problems to a patchwork of the Army, Charity and good old British stoicism. It kind of makes sense, given how rare serious flooding actually is outside of flood planes. You get one or two incidents maybe a year of severe flooding - so spending on it is never going to be a sensible priority. Its like when the UK gets severe snow and shuts down, and everyone complains - but the cost of having the capacity to cope for one or two incidents a year is astronomical compared to the price of compensation for the victims. I agree that a certain degree of capacity is required but people tend to forget that most aid is actually incentives that feed back into the British economy and business interests. The UK might, say, give 10m in aid to Turkey for clean water projects which end up being contracts awarded to Thames Water UK etc. That's generally how aid works, it comes with strings.
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| johnfirewall 28 Dec 15 6.42pm |
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Could spin this to blame EU farm subsidies, or the Environment Secretary as applicable.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 28 Dec 15 7.00pm |
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Quote johnfirewall at 28 Dec 2015 6.42pm
Could spin this to blame EU farm subsidies, or the Environment Secretary as applicable.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Dec 15 9.03pm |
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Quote Apollofuzz at 28 Dec 2015 5.43pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Dec 2015 11.17am
Quote Jimenez at 27 Dec 2015 2.46pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 Dec 2015 2.15pm
What were the coalition warned a while back? I think it was something along the lines of, ' for every £1 "saved" in short-term flood defence maintenance/improvements costs £8 in long-term economic damage. ' Edited by nickgusset (27 Dec 2015 2.17pm) AH!! Now its an Issue? Hoofs right of course up to a point. We send millions of pounds overseas in Aid yet seem to treat our problems to a patchwork of the Army, Charity and good old British stoicism. It kind of makes sense, given how rare serious flooding actually is outside of flood planes. You get one or two incidents maybe a year of severe flooding - so spending on it is never going to be a sensible priority. Its like when the UK gets severe snow and shuts down, and everyone complains - but the cost of having the capacity to cope for one or two incidents a year is astronomical compared to the price of compensation for the victims. I agree that a certain degree of capacity is required but people tend to forget that most aid is actually incentives that feed back into the British economy and business interests. The UK might, say, give 10m in aid to Turkey for clean water projects which end up being contracts awarded to Thames Water UK etc. That's generally how aid works, it comes with strings.
I used the example of Thames Water for reasons of personal knowledge. Thames Water UK employs a lot of people in my area, and gets a lot of foreign aid based work from countries that just happen to also receive UK aid. Whilst its owned by a number of shareholder companies (as most companies are) it essentially undertakes projects around the world based on the influence of that government aid. A while back I worked for them on a Turkish project that was essentially 50% UK aid and 50% Turkish State investment, and Thames Water essentially got the contract on the back of that foreign aid investment. Governments don't work for people they work for companies these days. Whilst Thames Water UK is majority owned by an Australian Consortium, it is based in the UK. A lot of the work is indeed outsourced, to third party contractors, but they're still employed by Thames Water. I didn't mean to suggest that the Aid money comes back to the people of the UK, but that its used to essentially as a form of subsidy of companies which have divisions in the UK (and employ in the UK).
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