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I don't know why people are really bothered if Mother Teresa's going to be made a Saint.

The only people who will care are Catholics because that's the only church (apart from in some cases the Orthodox) who care about canonization.
It's an entirely religious title with no secular recognition or significance.

So if people think she was a dreadful person who did more harm to the poor than good, this won't affect that or the reach of the movement promoting this idea (Christopher Hitchens' videos for example). The same goes for people who think she was great.

This thread is just a moaning session which has been activated by Mother Teresa's canonization consideration in the news. The fact that she's going to be made a Saint is secondary.
It's fine to have a moan and express opinions. I dislike Christopher Hitchens' rhetoric (sorry Hitch fans). It's fine that I have that opinion.

Point being that her becoming a Saint won't really bring about anything new, she's been a 'blessed' for years after all. For non-Catholics it's just a reminder of the Church's absurd, pseudo-religious and nonsensical practices. Big deal.

 


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Hoof Hearted 20 Dec 15 12.41pm

Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 20 Dec 2015 12.34pm

I don't know why people are really bothered if Mother Teresa's going to be made a Saint.

The only people who will care are Catholics because that's the only church (apart from in some cases the Orthodox) who care about canonization.
It's an entirely religious title with no secular recognition or significance.

So if people think she was a dreadful person who did more harm to the poor than good, this won't affect that or the reach of the movement promoting this idea (Christopher Hitchens' videos for example). The same goes for people who think she was great.

This thread is just a moaning session which has been activated by Mother Teresa's canonization consideration in the news. The fact that she's going to be made a Saint is secondary.
It's fine to have a moan and express opinions. I dislike Christopher Hitchens' rhetoric (sorry Hitch fans). It's fine that I have that opinion.

Point being that her becoming a Saint won't really bring about anything new, she's been a 'blessed' for years after all. For non-Catholics it's just a reminder of the Church's absurd, pseudo-religious and nonsensical practices. Big deal.


I refer you to my post - the very first reply to the thread!

 

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Quote NickRobinson at 20 Dec 2015 11.28am

Quote Mad4palace at 19 Dec 2015 9.51pm

Quote NickRobinson at 19 Dec 2015 8.19pm

She did a lot of good. She deserves recognition. What harm does it do calling her a saint?

She pretended to do a lot of good.

So she 'pretended' to found the Missionaries of Charity, active in 133 countries. They run hospices and homes for people with HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis; soup kitchens; dispensaries and mobile clinics; children's and family counselling programmes; orphanages; and schools. All a sham then?

The motive behind her work was devotional, it wasn't to alleviate suffering it was to wallow in it and perversely see it as a gift. The poor standards of medical care, allegations of misusing of funds and her opposition to concraception sort of gives one the indication that she was more obsessed with working for 'god' and the politics of her religion, rather than the poor or sick.

 

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NickRobinson Flag 20 Dec 15 1.41pm

Quote Mad4palace at 20 Dec 2015 1.20pm

Quote NickRobinson at 20 Dec 2015 11.28am

Quote Mad4palace at 19 Dec 2015 9.51pm

Quote NickRobinson at 19 Dec 2015 8.19pm

She did a lot of good. She deserves recognition. What harm does it do calling her a saint?

She pretended to do a lot of good.

So she 'pretended' to found the Missionaries of Charity, active in 133 countries. They run hospices and homes for people with HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis; soup kitchens; dispensaries and mobile clinics; children's and family counselling programmes; orphanages; and schools. All a sham then?

The motive behind her work was devotional, it wasn't to alleviate suffering it was to wallow in it and perversely see it as a gift. The poor standards of medical care, allegations of misusing of funds and her opposition to concraception sort of gives one the indication that she was more obsessed with working for 'god' and the politics of her religion, rather than the poor or sick.

So the 'untouchables' in India would have been better off without her then? "Poor standards" - at least she took practical steps to help people whatever her motives. I'm not religious, but recognise people doing good when I see it. A lot of the people that criticise her for helping people, do so because of her religious convictions. If, say Nelson Mandella, had set up similar help-organisations, the same critics would be hailing him as a 'saint', albeit a secular one.

 

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Quote NickRobinson at 20 Dec 2015 1.41pm

Quote Mad4palace at 20 Dec 2015 1.20pm

Quote NickRobinson at 20 Dec 2015 11.28am

Quote Mad4palace at 19 Dec 2015 9.51pm

Quote NickRobinson at 19 Dec 2015 8.19pm

She did a lot of good. She deserves recognition. What harm does it do calling her a saint?

She pretended to do a lot of good.

So she 'pretended' to found the Missionaries of Charity, active in 133 countries. They run hospices and homes for people with HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis; soup kitchens; dispensaries and mobile clinics; children's and family counselling programmes; orphanages; and schools. All a sham then?

The motive behind her work was devotional, it wasn't to alleviate suffering it was to wallow in it and perversely see it as a gift. The poor standards of medical care, allegations of misusing of funds and her opposition to concraception sort of gives one the indication that she was more obsessed with working for 'god' and the politics of her religion, rather than the poor or sick.

So the 'untouchables' in India would have been better off without her then? "Poor standards" - at least she took practical steps to help people whatever her motives. I'm not religious, but recognise people doing good when I see it. A lot of the people that criticise her for helping people, do so because of her religious convictions. If, say Nelson Mandella, had set up similar help-organisations, the same critics would be hailing him as a 'saint', albeit a secular one.


Selfless acts are their own reward. They do not require recognition because those seeking it are not really committing selfless acts.

Besides that, all talk of saints is just medieval religious mumbo jumbo, and it is shameful that the Catholic church, or any other, perpetuates such superstitious garbage.

 

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Dec 2015 12.41pm

Quote EaglesEaglesEagles at 20 Dec 2015 12.34pm

I don't know why people are really bothered if Mother Teresa's going to be made a Saint.

The only people who will care are Catholics because that's the only church (apart from in some cases the Orthodox) who care about canonization.
It's an entirely religious title with no secular recognition or significance.

So if people think she was a dreadful person who did more harm to the poor than good, this won't affect that or the reach of the movement promoting this idea (Christopher Hitchens' videos for example). The same goes for people who think she was great.

This thread is just a moaning session which has been activated by Mother Teresa's canonization consideration in the news. The fact that she's going to be made a Saint is secondary.
It's fine to have a moan and express opinions. I dislike Christopher Hitchens' rhetoric (sorry Hitch fans). It's fine that I have that opinion.

Point being that her becoming a Saint won't really bring about anything new, she's been a 'blessed' for years after all. For non-Catholics it's just a reminder of the Church's absurd, pseudo-religious and nonsensical practices. Big deal.


I refer you to my post - the very first reply to the thread!

Fair. I was reiterating what others had ignored for the sake of enjoying their own annoyance. I may have perhaps even enjoyed my own self-righteousness of effectively expanding upon what you said!

 


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