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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jan 16 1.18pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jan 2016 10.55am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 10.30pm Quote leifandersonshair at 09 Jan 2016 5.50pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 3.40pm Quote leifandersonshair at 09 Jan 2016 3.27pm It's a tricky subject, immigration; plenty of people who have concerns about immigration (and the impact on an ever shrinking body of public services being cut to the bone) don't have a racist bone in their body. Unfortunately, by the same token, plenty of out and out racists cite their concern about immigration when what they really mean is 'too many non British white people' and hark at a return to some sort of imagined, 1950's golden age where minorities knew their place. Well firstly, it is not "imagined" to say that there were a lot less immigrants here in the 50's. It might be fair to say that there was some sort of post empire imagined superiority hangover that lasted until the war generation but that is long gone for 99% of people. Modern concerns are more about immigrant numbers, services, housing, jobs, wages, terrorism, discrimination, crime and religious dogma I would suggest. I'm not saying that it is imagined that the demographic population was completely different. That's a fact. Merely pointing out that it was not the golden age of peace and happiness that some would have it made out to be, and that it was a different world. The very different world we live in now is not just down to immigration, as some seem to believe. The changing nature of modern economies, globalisation, politics and various global conflicts etc has had far more to do with the world we find ourselves in than anything else. Immigration may have played a part, but it is just one part of the puzzle. There seems to be an attitude (especially, but not solely, amongst older generations) that, if there were less 'foreigners' here, we would somehow magically default to the world of the 1950's again. It's a dangerous attitude to have. Most immigrants who have come to Britain have arrived in the last 20 years so you don't have to be 70 to see the difference. I think only a complete moron would expect Britain to revert to the 1950's 60's or 70's if immigrants weren't here. There is a danger that The Wheel Tappers And Shunters Club and packet curry might make a comeback though. Vesta Beef Curry...... the Saturday night "treat"... I must admit I would find it difficult to replace the tandoori style cooking we have enjoyed for decades in Curry Houses! Fair comment but don't forget that half the young white people in London now have a stupid accents (Bruv')and Rap music. Case closed.
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It's a tricky subject, immigration; plenty of people who have concerns about immigration (and the impact on an ever shrinking body of public services being cut to the bone) don't have a racist bone in their body. Unfortunately, by the same token, plenty of out and out racists cite their concern about immigration when what they really mean is 'too many non British white people' and hark at a return to some sort of imagined, 1950's golden age where minorities knew their place.

Well firstly, it is not "imagined" to say that there were a lot less immigrants here in the 50's.
It might be fair to say that there was some sort of post empire imagined superiority hangover that lasted until the war generation but that is long gone for 99% of people.
Modern concerns are more about immigrant numbers, services, housing, jobs, wages, terrorism, discrimination, crime and religious dogma I would suggest.

I'm not saying that it is imagined that the demographic population was completely different. That's a fact.

Merely pointing out that it was not the golden age of peace and happiness that some would have it made out to be, and that it was a different world.

The very different world we live in now is not just down to immigration, as some seem to believe. The changing nature of modern economies, globalisation, politics and various global conflicts etc has had far more to do with the world we find ourselves in than anything else. Immigration may have played a part, but it is just one part of the puzzle.

There seems to be an attitude (especially, but not solely, amongst older generations) that, if there were less 'foreigners' here, we would somehow magically default to the world of the 1950's again. It's a dangerous attitude to have.

Most immigrants who have come to Britain have arrived in the last 20 years so you don't have to be 70 to see the difference. I think only a complete moron would expect Britain to revert to the 1950's 60's or 70's if immigrants weren't here. There is a danger that The Wheel Tappers And Shunters Club and packet curry might make a comeback though.

Vesta Beef Curry...... the Saturday night "treat"...

I must admit I would find it difficult to replace the tandoori style cooking we have enjoyed for decades in Curry Houses!

Fair comment but don't forget that half the young white people in London now have a stupid accents (Bruv')and Rap music.

Case closed.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 10 Jan 16 2.27pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.24pm Race has nothing to do with it. Racism is a tool the lib;left use try and win arguments. It is also a tool that minorities use to serve themselves. There is no race beyond the human race but prejudice can arise for many reasons. I would be very surprised if any of those were really about skin colour or genes. Stop trying to overthink yourself, that's the right wing. Anyone can be prejudiced, but that in many cases as demonstrated on here INCLUDES colour and genes. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 10 Jan 16 2.27pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.24pm

Race has nothing to do with it. Racism is a tool the lib;left use try and win arguments. It is also a tool that minorities use to serve themselves.
There is no race beyond the human race but prejudice can arise for many reasons. I would be very surprised if any of those were really about skin colour or genes.

Stop trying to overthink yourself, that's the right wing.

Anyone can be prejudiced, but that in many cases as demonstrated on here INCLUDES colour and genes.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jan 16 2.41pm
Quote pefwin at 10 Jan 2016 2.27pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.24pm Race has nothing to do with it. Racism is a tool the lib;left use try and win arguments. It is also a tool that minorities use to serve themselves. There is no race beyond the human race but prejudice can arise for many reasons. I would be very surprised if any of those were really about skin colour or genes. Stop trying to overthink yourself, that's the right wing. Anyone can be prejudiced, but that in many cases as demonstrated on here INCLUDES colour and genes. If that were true then one might get twitchy over a person with a good sun tan or a big nose. No, prejudice has little to do with those things and a lot more about more practical issues.
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Stop trying to overthink yourself, that's the right wing.

Anyone can be prejudiced, but that in many cases as demonstrated on here INCLUDES colour and genes.

If that were true then one might get twitchy over a person with a good sun tan or a big nose. No, prejudice has little to do with those things and a lot more about more practical issues.

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Jan 16 2.58pm
Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First. I don't profess to knowing too much about 'Britain First' however I do know that thy have stated categorically that "Race" does not feature in their policies or outlook and that often their meetings are attended by people from an ethnic minority background.In fact they invite those from ethnic backgrounds to join their ranks. Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm)
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Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm

Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First.

I don't profess to knowing too much about 'Britain First' however I do know that thy have stated categorically that "Race" does not feature in their policies or outlook and that often their meetings are attended by people from an ethnic minority background.In fact they invite those from ethnic backgrounds to join their ranks.

Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 10 Jan 16 3.36pm
Quote Willo at 10 Jan 2016 2.58pm Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First. I don't profess to knowing too much about 'Britain First' however I do know that thy have stated categorically that "Race" does not feature in their policies or outlook and that often their meetings are attended by people from an ethnic minority background.In fact they invite those from ethnic backgrounds to join their ranks. Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm) It seems you get many invites. Britain First's stated aim is to protect "British and Christian morality", and is "committed to preserving our ancestral ethnic and cultural heritage" while it also "supports the maintenance of the indigenous British people as the demographic majority within our own homeland", that "Genuine British citizens will be put first in housing, jobs, education, welfare and health". [Link] Bunch of racists or is this the correct type of "politics"? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 10 Jan 16 3.36pm

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Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm

Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First.

Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm)

It seems you get many invites.

Britain First's stated aim is to protect "British and Christian morality", and is "committed to preserving our ancestral ethnic and cultural heritage" while it also "supports the maintenance of the indigenous British people as the demographic majority within our own homeland", that "Genuine British citizens will be put first in housing, jobs, education, welfare and health".

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Bunch of racists or is this the correct type of "politics"?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 10 Jan 16 3.43pm
Quote Willo at 10 Jan 2016 2.58pm Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First. I don't profess to knowing too much about 'Britain First' however I do know that thy have stated categorically that "Race" does not feature in their policies or outlook and that often their meetings are attended by people from an ethnic minority background.In fact they invite those from ethnic backgrounds to join their ranks. Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm) For someone who professes not to know too much you know a fair bit. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

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Quote Willo at 10 Jan 2016 2.58pm

Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm

Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First.

Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm)

For someone who professes not to know too much you know a fair bit.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Jan 16 3.47pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 10 Jan 2016 3.43pm Quote Willo at 10 Jan 2016 2.58pm Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First. I don't profess to knowing too much about 'Britain First' however I do know that thy have stated categorically that "Race" does not feature in their policies or outlook and that often their meetings are attended by people from an ethnic minority background.In fact they invite those from ethnic backgrounds to join their ranks. Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm) For someone who professes not to know too much you know a fair bit. I was telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Jan 16 3.47pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 10 Jan 2016 3.43pm

Quote Willo at 10 Jan 2016 2.58pm

Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm

Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First.

Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm)

For someone who professes not to know too much you know a fair bit.

I was telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 10 Jan 16 8.16pm
Quote pefwin at 10 Jan 2016 3.36pm Quote Willo at 10 Jan 2016 2.58pm Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First. I don't profess to knowing too much about 'Britain First' however I do know that thy have stated categorically that "Race" does not feature in their policies or outlook and that often their meetings are attended by people from an ethnic minority background.In fact they invite those from ethnic backgrounds to join their ranks. Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm) It seems you get many invites. Britain First's stated aim is to protect "British and Christian morality", and is "committed to preserving our ancestral ethnic and cultural heritage" while it also "supports the maintenance of the indigenous British people as the demographic majority within our own homeland", that "Genuine British citizens will be put first in housing, jobs, education, welfare and health". [Link] Bunch of racists or is this the correct type of "politics"? Sounds eminently reasonable to me. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Quote Willo at 10 Jan 2016 2.58pm

Quote collier row eagle at 09 Jan 2016 12.03pm

Goodbye BNP. Hello Britain First.

Edited by Willo (10 Jan 2016 3.01pm)

It seems you get many invites.

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Bunch of racists or is this the correct type of "politics"?

Sounds eminently reasonable to me.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Jan 16 12.20pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.24pm Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 12.18pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.02pm Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.57am Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.53am Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.49am Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.45am You've taken a hammering about Corbyn and Cologne so I guess the purpose of this thread is to puff your lefty chest out again......... LOLZ I think that the fact that the BNP can't stand in elections is pretty good news. No chest puffing. But as others have pointed out, the void has already been filled. Much to your delight . Yes I'm glad that you lefty fruitcakes still have the type of opposition you deserve. Can I conclude then that you are delighted that there are racist political parties? Race has nothing to do with it. Racism is a tool the lib;left use try and win arguments. It is also a tool that minorities use to serve themselves. There is no race beyond the human race but prejudice can arise for many reasons. I would be very surprised if any of those were really about skin colour or genes. I don't think its that reliable to say that the BNP wasn't a racist party though, given their history of ethnic exclusion, and prejudice that was central to their policy on 'repatronisation' and membership. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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You've taken a hammering about Corbyn and Cologne so I guess the purpose of this thread is to puff your lefty chest out again......... LOLZ

I think that the fact that the BNP can't stand in elections is pretty good news. No chest puffing.

But as others have pointed out, the void has already been filled.

Much to your delight .

Yes I'm glad that you lefty fruitcakes still have the type of opposition you deserve.

Can I conclude then that you are delighted that there are racist political parties?

Race has nothing to do with it. Racism is a tool the lib;left use try and win arguments. It is also a tool that minorities use to serve themselves.
There is no race beyond the human race but prejudice can arise for many reasons. I would be very surprised if any of those were really about skin colour or genes.

I don't think its that reliable to say that the BNP wasn't a racist party though, given their history of ethnic exclusion, and prejudice that was central to their policy on 'repatronisation' and membership.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jan 16 12.35pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Jan 2016 12.20pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.24pm Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 12.18pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.02pm Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.57am Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.53am Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.49am Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.45am You've taken a hammering about Corbyn and Cologne so I guess the purpose of this thread is to puff your lefty chest out again......... LOLZ I think that the fact that the BNP can't stand in elections is pretty good news. No chest puffing. But as others have pointed out, the void has already been filled. Much to your delight . Yes I'm glad that you lefty fruitcakes still have the type of opposition you deserve. Can I conclude then that you are delighted that there are racist political parties? Race has nothing to do with it. Racism is a tool the lib;left use try and win arguments. It is also a tool that minorities use to serve themselves. There is no race beyond the human race but prejudice can arise for many reasons. I would be very surprised if any of those were really about skin colour or genes. I don't think its that reliable to say that the BNP wasn't a racist party though, given their history of ethnic exclusion, and prejudice that was central to their policy on 'repatronisation' and membership. Racism is far too lazy a word for a much more complex situation. I'm not sure why people keep discussing the BNP anyway. They are an irrelevance.
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You've taken a hammering about Corbyn and Cologne so I guess the purpose of this thread is to puff your lefty chest out again......... LOLZ

I think that the fact that the BNP can't stand in elections is pretty good news. No chest puffing.

But as others have pointed out, the void has already been filled.

Much to your delight .

Yes I'm glad that you lefty fruitcakes still have the type of opposition you deserve.

Can I conclude then that you are delighted that there are racist political parties?

Racism is far too lazy a word for a much more complex situation. I'm not sure why people keep discussing the BNP anyway. They are an irrelevance.

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Hoof Hearted 11 Jan 16 12.40pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Jan 2016 12.35pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Jan 2016 12.20pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.24pm Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 12.18pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.02pm Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.57am Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.53am Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.49am Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.45am You've taken a hammering about Corbyn and Cologne so I guess the purpose of this thread is to puff your lefty chest out again......... LOLZ I think that the fact that the BNP can't stand in elections is pretty good news. No chest puffing. But as others have pointed out, the void has already been filled. Much to your delight . Yes I'm glad that you lefty fruitcakes still have the type of opposition you deserve. Can I conclude then that you are delighted that there are racist political parties? Race has nothing to do with it. Racism is a tool the lib;left use try and win arguments. It is also a tool that minorities use to serve themselves. There is no race beyond the human race but prejudice can arise for many reasons. I would be very surprised if any of those were really about skin colour or genes. I don't think its that reliable to say that the BNP wasn't a racist party though, given their history of ethnic exclusion, and prejudice that was central to their policy on 'repatronisation' and membership. Racism is far too lazy a word for a much more complex situation. I'm not sure why people keep discussing the BNP anyway. They are an irrelevance. That's an easy one Hrolf.... the left like to portray anyone with views to the right of centre as bully boy thugs like the BNP.
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Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.49am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.45am

You've taken a hammering about Corbyn and Cologne so I guess the purpose of this thread is to puff your lefty chest out again......... LOLZ

I think that the fact that the BNP can't stand in elections is pretty good news. No chest puffing.

But as others have pointed out, the void has already been filled.

Much to your delight .

Yes I'm glad that you lefty fruitcakes still have the type of opposition you deserve.

Can I conclude then that you are delighted that there are racist political parties?

Racism is far too lazy a word for a much more complex situation. I'm not sure why people keep discussing the BNP anyway. They are an irrelevance.

That's an easy one Hrolf.... the left like to portray anyone with views to the right of centre as bully boy thugs like the BNP.

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jan 16 12.59pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Jan 2016 12.40pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 11 Jan 2016 12.35pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Jan 2016 12.20pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.24pm Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 12.18pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 09 Jan 2016 12.02pm Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.57am Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.53am Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.49am Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.45am You've taken a hammering about Corbyn and Cologne so I guess the purpose of this thread is to puff your lefty chest out again......... LOLZ I think that the fact that the BNP can't stand in elections is pretty good news. No chest puffing. But as others have pointed out, the void has already been filled. Much to your delight . Yes I'm glad that you lefty fruitcakes still have the type of opposition you deserve. Can I conclude then that you are delighted that there are racist political parties? Race has nothing to do with it. Racism is a tool the lib;left use try and win arguments. It is also a tool that minorities use to serve themselves. There is no race beyond the human race but prejudice can arise for many reasons. I would be very surprised if any of those were really about skin colour or genes. I don't think its that reliable to say that the BNP wasn't a racist party though, given their history of ethnic exclusion, and prejudice that was central to their policy on 'repatronisation' and membership. Racism is far too lazy a word for a much more complex situation. I'm not sure why people keep discussing the BNP anyway. They are an irrelevance. That's an easy one Hrolf.... the left like to portray anyone with views to the right of centre as bully boy thugs like the BNP. Yes. Unfortunately the media is awash with left wing influence. Their recent tactic is to revise history in programs about past decades. There was a program on last night about the 80's featuring the likes of Ken Livingstone, Billy Bragg and Alexei Sayle which was making me shout at the TV. My kids were laughing.
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Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.49am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.45am

You've taken a hammering about Corbyn and Cologne so I guess the purpose of this thread is to puff your lefty chest out again......... LOLZ

I think that the fact that the BNP can't stand in elections is pretty good news. No chest puffing.

But as others have pointed out, the void has already been filled.

Much to your delight .

Yes I'm glad that you lefty fruitcakes still have the type of opposition you deserve.

Can I conclude then that you are delighted that there are racist political parties?

Racism is far too lazy a word for a much more complex situation. I'm not sure why people keep discussing the BNP anyway. They are an irrelevance.

That's an easy one Hrolf.... the left like to portray anyone with views to the right of centre as bully boy thugs like the BNP.

Yes. Unfortunately the media is awash with left wing influence. Their recent tactic is to revise history in programs about past decades. There was a program on last night about the 80's featuring the likes of Ken Livingstone, Billy Bragg and Alexei Sayle which was making me shout at the TV. My kids were laughing.

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