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beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 21 Jan 16 12.17pm
The question I can't find answered is which black actors/filmakers from last year are considered to have been excluded and for which roles/films? When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep. Not screaming and terrified. Like his passengers.
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pom tiddly om pom pom 21 Jan 16 12.17pm

The question I can't find answered is which black actors/filmakers from last year are considered to have been excluded and for which roles/films?

When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 21 Jan 16 12.34pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.53am Quote npn at 21 Jan 2016 10.36am The whole Oscars thing is horribly skewed towards 'successful' movies - why do you think so often 2 or 3 films sweep the board? I can believe they may have great acting, great directing, and great screenplays etc - but they always win best cinematography, soundtrack, and the raft of jobs you didn't even realise were involved too. Surely there are small obscure films which were really good at something, though the film itself sucked? Maybe Saw XXIV had a great soundtrack, or Debbie Does Dallas Again had great costumes, or Friday the Thirteenth XII was really well cast, but they'll never win anything because the movie itself is not deemed worthy Very true. Its hard to fault the method acting in Debbie does Dallas. You don't see too many so called celebrity stars going to the kind of deep performance seen in Anal Rampage 4 either. The exception is maybe when a big star performs in a smaller scale flick, in which case the daisy chain chokes itself (Dallas Buyers Club). You obviously never saw Anal Rampage 3 or 5. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.53am

Quote npn at 21 Jan 2016 10.36am

The whole Oscars thing is horribly skewed towards 'successful' movies - why do you think so often 2 or 3 films sweep the board?

I can believe they may have great acting, great directing, and great screenplays etc - but they always win best cinematography, soundtrack, and the raft of jobs you didn't even realise were involved too. Surely there are small obscure films which were really good at something, though the film itself sucked? Maybe Saw XXIV had a great soundtrack, or Debbie Does Dallas Again had great costumes, or Friday the Thirteenth XII was really well cast, but they'll never win anything because the movie itself is not deemed worthy

Very true. Its hard to fault the method acting in Debbie does Dallas. You don't see too many so called celebrity stars going to the kind of deep performance seen in Anal Rampage 4 either.

The exception is maybe when a big star performs in a smaller scale flick, in which case the daisy chain chokes itself (Dallas Buyers Club).

You obviously never saw Anal Rampage 3 or 5.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Kermit8 Hevon 21 Jan 16 12.34pm
Quote beagle at 21 Jan 2016 12.17pm The question I can't find answered is which black actors/filmakers from last year are considered to have been excluded and for which roles/films? Idris Elba 'Beasts of No Nation' should have been in there. Very well received film by even the harshest of critics. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote beagle at 21 Jan 2016 12.17pm

The question I can't find answered is which black actors/filmakers from last year are considered to have been excluded and for which roles/films?

Idris Elba 'Beasts of No Nation' should have been in there. Very well received film by even the harshest of critics.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Jan 16 12.43pm
Quote Kermit8 at 21 Jan 2016 12.34pm Quote beagle at 21 Jan 2016 12.17pm The question I can't find answered is which black actors/filmakers from last year are considered to have been excluded and for which roles/films? Idris Elba 'Beasts of No Nation' should have been in there. Very well received film by even the harshest of critics. It was also a Box office flop and films tend to be chosen on how much money is taken at the cinema. Also I read somewhere that Blacks make up 12% of the population in the US but had a 15% strike rate at the Oscars .... Pro USA & Israel
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Quote beagle at 21 Jan 2016 12.17pm

The question I can't find answered is which black actors/filmakers from last year are considered to have been excluded and for which roles/films?

Idris Elba 'Beasts of No Nation' should have been in there. Very well received film by even the harshest of critics.

It was also a Box office flop and films tend to be chosen on how much money is taken at the cinema. Also I read somewhere that Blacks make up 12% of the population in the US but had a 15% strike rate at the Oscars ....

Pro USA & Israel

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Palace_love_affair SE London 21 Jan 16 1.23pm
Quote leifandersonshair at 20 Jan 2016 8.15pm Does raise an interesting point on diversity (or lack of) of the Academy though- 94% white membership. That, they probably should look to change. Whether that would see more minority nominees? No idea. You are right, that's not nearly enough "We're the Holmesdale, We're the Holmesdale, We're the Holmesdale over here!!"
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Quote leifandersonshair at 20 Jan 2016 8.15pm

Does raise an interesting point on diversity (or lack of) of the Academy though- 94% white membership. That, they probably should look to change. Whether that would see more minority nominees? No idea.

You are right, that's not nearly enough

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jan 16 1.27pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.00am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Jan 2016 10.30pm This story really sums it up. About 12% of the American population is Black. So why the f* do some of them think that they should automatically selected for awards? Last time I looked you had to deserve it. This is from the same school of thought that says that there should be more Black football managers even though,the amount of black players is hugely disproportionate to the few percent of black people in the population. Rather than celebrate this,some want to just keep complaining. I think its a bit more complex than just meritocracy, especially in the US, where issues of race run rather significantly deeper than here. The US had the problem with Black Managers in the NFL etc and the implemented a policy of having to interview a black candidate and the result was a surge in successful black managers of teams. I wouldn't say the Oscars are racist either, the US movie industry is quite prone to liberal influence, probably disproportionately to the rest of the states - and its only this year it seems that this is the case (the last time was 199. Is there an issue there, I don't know, but in the US racism and racial exclusion is a very big issue. It does seem a bit odd that no black nominations were present across all categories, when Selma was nominated for Best Picture. Then again, the Oscars are a backslapping award usually for the bloated beast that ends up slavishly praising often average movies and overlooking real quality. Personally I would have thought that O'Shae Jackson Jr (in Straight outta Compton and Abraham Atta (Beasts of No Nation) deserved to be nominated, but then those are films destined generally overlooked by the Oscars. The Oscars are like the Brit Awards. Winning one is generally about commercial achievement rather than quality.** I agree with the last bit and for black actors starring in films about black culture this is a problem, because 80% of the population probably don't care too much for it. Part of the problem in the States is that many Black people see themselves as separate from the rest of the population. They think that different rules should apply to them. This is as much the problem as any prejudice they receive form the white majority. When people start seeing themselves as people and not colours, these issuers will go away.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.00am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Jan 2016 10.30pm

This story really sums it up.

About 12% of the American population is Black. So why the f*** do some of them think that they should automatically selected for awards?
Last time I looked you had to deserve it.

This is from the same school of thought that says that there should be more Black football managers even though,the amount of black players is hugely disproportionate to the few percent of black people in the population.
Rather than celebrate this,some want to just keep complaining.

I think its a bit more complex than just meritocracy, especially in the US, where issues of race run rather significantly deeper than here. The US had the problem with Black Managers in the NFL etc and the implemented a policy of having to interview a black candidate and the result was a surge in successful black managers of teams.

I wouldn't say the Oscars are racist either, the US movie industry is quite prone to liberal influence, probably disproportionately to the rest of the states - and its only this year it seems that this is the case (the last time was 199.

Is there an issue there, I don't know, but in the US racism and racial exclusion is a very big issue. It does seem a bit odd that no black nominations were present across all categories, when Selma was nominated for Best Picture.

Then again, the Oscars are a backslapping award usually for the bloated beast that ends up slavishly praising often average movies and overlooking real quality.

Personally I would have thought that O'Shae Jackson Jr (in Straight outta Compton and Abraham Atta (Beasts of No Nation) deserved to be nominated, but then those are films destined generally overlooked by the Oscars.

The Oscars are like the Brit Awards. Winning one is generally about commercial achievement rather than quality.

I agree with the last bit and for black actors starring in films about black culture this is a problem, because 80% of the population probably don't care too much for it.
Part of the problem in the States is that many Black people see themselves as separate from the rest of the population. They think that different rules should apply to them. This is as much the problem as any prejudice they receive form the white majority. When people start seeing themselves as people and not colours, these issuers will go away.

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Midlands Eagle 21 Jan 16 1.39pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Jan 2016 1.27pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.00am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Jan 2016 10.30pm This story really sums it up. About 12% of the American population is Black. So why the f* do some of them think that they should automatically selected for awards? Last time I looked you had to deserve it. This is from the same school of thought that says that there should be more Black football managers even though,the amount of black players is hugely disproportionate to the few percent of black people in the population. Rather than celebrate this,some want to just keep complaining. I think its a bit more complex than just meritocracy, especially in the US, where issues of race run rather significantly deeper than here. The US had the problem with Black Managers in the NFL etc and the implemented a policy of having to interview a black candidate and the result was a surge in successful black managers of teams. I wouldn't say the Oscars are racist either, the US movie industry is quite prone to liberal influence, probably disproportionately to the rest of the states - and its only this year it seems that this is the case (the last time was 199. Is there an issue there, I don't know, but in the US racism and racial exclusion is a very big issue. It does seem a bit odd that no black nominations were present across all categories, when Selma was nominated for Best Picture. Then again, the Oscars are a backslapping award usually for the bloated beast that ends up slavishly praising often average movies and overlooking real quality. Personally I would have thought that O'Shae Jackson Jr (in Straight outta Compton and Abraham Atta (Beasts of No Nation) deserved to be nominated, but then those are films destined generally overlooked by the Oscars. The Oscars are like the Brit Awards. Winning one is generally about commercial achievement rather than quality.** I agree with the last bit and for black actors starring in films about black culture this is a problem, because 80% of the population probably don't care too much for it. Part of the problem in the States is that many Black people see themselves as separate from the rest of the population. They think that different rules should apply to them. This is as much the problem as any prejudice they receive form the white majority. When people start seeing themselves as people and not colours, these issuers will go away. Maybe that's the case for the lesser known actors but not so for the star names. Will Smith was the highest paid actor for years and never played a black man until comparatively recently as in most of his roles the fact that he was black was completely irrelevant. The same goes for Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington with the only A list black actor that occasionally plays black men being Samual L Jackson
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Jan 2016 1.27pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.00am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Jan 2016 10.30pm

This story really sums it up.

About 12% of the American population is Black. So why the f*** do some of them think that they should automatically selected for awards?
Last time I looked you had to deserve it.

Then again, the Oscars are a backslapping award usually for the bloated beast that ends up slavishly praising often average movies and overlooking real quality.

The Oscars are like the Brit Awards. Winning one is generally about commercial achievement rather than quality.

Maybe that's the case for the lesser known actors but not so for the star names. Will Smith was the highest paid actor for years and never played a black man until comparatively recently as in most of his roles the fact that he was black was completely irrelevant.

The same goes for Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington with the only A list black actor that occasionally plays black men being Samual L Jackson

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nairb75 Baltimore 21 Jan 16 1.44pm
it's like horse racing over here. once per year people pretend to care but they really know nothing of what they're talking about at all. people tune in for one night and then it's over. like the trashy girl in high school - in a moment of weakness you succumb and meet up with her - fun for a night but you never brag to your friends that you did it. feel more shame afterwards than anything. "did you watch the oscars last night?" "f### no. watched the basketball game and went to bed early." "yeah, me too." Edited by nairb75 (21 Jan 2016 1.52pm)
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it's like horse racing over here. once per year people pretend to care but they really know nothing of what they're talking about at all. people tune in for one night and then it's over. like the trashy girl in high school - in a moment of weakness you succumb and meet up with her - fun for a night but you never brag to your friends that you did it. feel more shame afterwards than anything.

"did you watch the oscars last night?"

"f### no. watched the basketball game and went to bed early."

"yeah, me too."

Edited by nairb75 (21 Jan 2016 1.52pm)

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palace845 21 Jan 16 1.49pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Jan 2016 10.30pm Last time I looked you had to deserve it. This is all that matters, and barring that it's a non argument in my opinion.
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Jan 2016 10.30pm

Last time I looked you had to deserve it.

This is all that matters, and barring that it's a non argument in my opinion.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jan 16 1.59pm
Quote beagle at 21 Jan 2016 12.17pm The question I can't find answered is which black actors/filmakers from last year are considered to have been excluded and for which roles/films? The director of Selma, which was nominated for best picture springs to mind. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote beagle at 21 Jan 2016 12.17pm

The question I can't find answered is which black actors/filmakers from last year are considered to have been excluded and for which roles/films?

The director of Selma, which was nominated for best picture springs to mind.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jan 16 2.01pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 21 Jan 2016 12.34pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.53am Quote npn at 21 Jan 2016 10.36am The whole Oscars thing is horribly skewed towards 'successful' movies - why do you think so often 2 or 3 films sweep the board? I can believe they may have great acting, great directing, and great screenplays etc - but they always win best cinematography, soundtrack, and the raft of jobs you didn't even realise were involved too. Surely there are small obscure films which were really good at something, though the film itself sucked? Maybe Saw XXIV had a great soundtrack, or Debbie Does Dallas Again had great costumes, or Friday the Thirteenth XII was really well cast, but they'll never win anything because the movie itself is not deemed worthy Very true. Its hard to fault the method acting in Debbie does Dallas. You don't see too many so called celebrity stars going to the kind of deep performance seen in Anal Rampage 4 either. The exception is maybe when a big star performs in a smaller scale flick, in which case the daisy chain chokes itself (Dallas Buyers Club). You obviously never saw Anal Rampage 3 or 5. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Cucking Funt at 21 Jan 2016 12.34pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.53am

Quote npn at 21 Jan 2016 10.36am

The whole Oscars thing is horribly skewed towards 'successful' movies - why do you think so often 2 or 3 films sweep the board?

Very true. Its hard to fault the method acting in Debbie does Dallas. You don't see too many so called celebrity stars going to the kind of deep performance seen in Anal Rampage 4 either.

The exception is maybe when a big star performs in a smaller scale flick, in which case the daisy chain chokes itself (Dallas Buyers Club).

You obviously never saw Anal Rampage 3 or 5.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stuk Top half 21 Jan 16 2.49pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.05am Quote suicideatselhurst at 20 Jan 2016 11.25pm If in someone's opinion your performance isn't any good your not going to get nominated....on a plus side you might have been paid 5 million dollars for not being good enough...so oh dear how sad never mind Its notable that Jada Pinket Smith is complaining, but she was in Magic Mike XXL (apparently she's very good in it) but how seriously can you be taken as a candidate based on a throw away film about strippers. Of course Selma did get nominated for best picture, but its director wasn't nominated in the best director category, which is a bit odd. She's just moaning because her husband didn't get nominated. I do find it funny that quite a few black actors, singers etc are trying to put pressure on Chris Rock to step down from the job of hosting as they're "under represented". I don't hear calls for the head of the Academy to step down in solidarity, and she's in a more powerful position than him. The main problem is once you're accepted to vote, you're in for life. So voting patterns are unlikely to change for decades. Optimistic as ever
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Jan 2016 10.05am

Quote suicideatselhurst at 20 Jan 2016 11.25pm

If in someone's opinion your performance isn't any good your not going to get nominated....on a plus side you might have been paid 5 million dollars for not being good enough...so oh dear how sad never mind

Its notable that Jada Pinket Smith is complaining, but she was in Magic Mike XXL (apparently she's very good in it) but how seriously can you be taken as a candidate based on a throw away film about strippers.

Of course Selma did get nominated for best picture, but its director wasn't nominated in the best director category, which is a bit odd.

She's just moaning because her husband didn't get nominated.

I do find it funny that quite a few black actors, singers etc are trying to put pressure on Chris Rock to step down from the job of hosting as they're "under represented".

I don't hear calls for the head of the Academy to step down in solidarity, and she's in a more powerful position than him.

The main problem is once you're accepted to vote, you're in for life. So voting patterns are unlikely to change for decades.

Optimistic as ever

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