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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 May 16 4.28pm

Originally posted by fed up eagle

I find the patronising of cnuts who over emphasise political correctness as downright offensive. Some noncey pr1ck telling us how we should think and behave is like something out of Animal Farm.
It's no coincidence that complete fcukwits like Emma bloody Thompson champion it very well. Another bellend is that tit who played Tony Blair and Brian Clough. Michael Sheen I think.
Imagine if we went to war tomorrow knowing that you've got some know nothing butt plug like him or one of his kind fighting alongside you. I'd shoot myself straight away.

Says the man who is demanding his right to offend everyone trumps other peoples right to register their offence at his behaviour. Free speech only applies, if its yours. The moment someone objects to what you say, you're being oppressed?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 May 16 4.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is clearly a distinction between society evolving and recognising that gay and minorities are not a legitimate target for personal insults purely for being so. It is completely different however when religious dogma threatens us for speaking out against or making jokes about their deities. That is just a massive backward step and one we should not tolerate.

It would also help if some people matured a little and stopped being so easily offended. I find it difficult to have much sympathy with people who take everything so personally and so seriously. Get over yourself would be my advice.

That's not really the case though is it. You can criticise all you like, its really only a problem when you generalise. There are plenty of comics out there that have routines and comedy about religion. There's even a ventriloquist who has a suicide bomber puppet.

Ok, sometimes, when you do, people might call you on it. But that's their right to, those who are offended should also have a voice. Obviously, a degree of reserve and reason should apply. Being offensive and insulting just for the sake of being offensive and insulting isn't really very clever.

Its like all those people exercising their 'free speech' by publishing cartoons of the prophet (or staging prophet cartoon competitions in the states). Its probably a good argument, the first time you do it. But when you stage an annual competition or just keep doing it, you're just being offensive for the attention.

Just offending people because you can, isn't free speech its being a c**t.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Says the man who is demanding his right to offend everyone trumps other peoples right to register their offence at his behaviour. Free speech only applies, if its yours. The moment someone objects to what you say, you're being oppressed?

Jamie, I have no problem with people registering their 'offence at my behaviour', whatever you believe my 'behaviour' to be. Personally I thought this was an opinions forum and I am merely registering mine, however unorthodox you may conceive it to be. Alas my opinion is just one of many, and no matter how I protest or let off steam, this crazy nonsense will continue (political correctness). My opinion may be offensive to some, but I find the behaviour of other people offensive, it's an unrelenting cycle. No point in getting into fistycuffs over it now is there?

Anyway Jamie, I'd like to know why you think I think my right to offend trumps anyone's right to register their offence at my behaviour? It really is a bizarre thing to say. I have no power to stop them registering it, nor would I want to stop them registering it. I'm all for free speech. It's a shame that the patronising and belittling elite in this country don't think the same, otherwise political correctness would be banned, and God know's it should be!

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Hoof Hearted 11 May 16 5.14pm

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With this and your Tom Cruise quip, you are spoiling us today Hoof!

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 May 16 5.18pm

Originally posted by fed up eagle

Jamie, I have no problem with people registering their 'offence at my behaviour', whatever you believe my 'behaviour' to be. Personally I thought this was an opinions forum and I am merely registering mine, however unorthodox you may conceive it to be. Alas my opinion is just one of many, and no matter how I protest or let off steam, this crazy nonsense will continue (political correctness). My opinion may be offensive to some, but I find the behaviour of other people offensive, it's an unrelenting cycle. No point in getting into fistycuffs over it now is there?

Anyway Jamie, I'd like to know why you think I think my right to offend trumps anyone's right to register their offence at my behaviour? It really is a bizarre thing to say. I have no power to stop them registering it, nor would I want to stop them registering it. I'm all for free speech. It's a shame that the patronising and belittling elite in this country don't think the same, otherwise political correctness would be banned, and God know's it should be!

Edited by fed up eagle (11 May 2016 5.11pm)

Well that is all political correctness actually is, people using their free speech to voice their opinion. There is no law that states 'political correctness is the truth'. Its just people responding to other peoples statements.

Its just that not being offensive to people has become a lot less popular than it used it be. Times change peoples attitudes change.

Its not some sinister agenda of mind control. Turns out, to use your example, that people don't like being called a P@ki.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 May 16 5.23pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Cleese has done nothing amusing since Fawlty Towers, having devoted his time since to being a pompous arse.

And complaining about things. Anyone would think he's depressed about something.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well that is all political correctness actually is, people using their free speech to voice their opinion. There is no law that states 'political correctness is the truth'. Its just people responding to other peoples statements.

Its just that not being offensive to people has become a lot less popular than it used it be. Times change peoples attitudes change.

Its not some sinister agenda of mind control. Turns out, to use your example, that people don't like being called a P@ki.

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That's all very well, but the way I see it is that political correctness is being used to suppress what we say and what we think. It's gone on for years now, so much so that there is a general apathy towards it. I do think it rather sinister because it's being impressed on a younger generation to the extent that they think it's gospel. It's totally appalling.

Why do they not like being called a P@ki then? Do they not know/like where they're from?

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

That's not really the case though is it. You can criticise all you like, its really only a problem when you generalise. There are plenty of comics out there that have routines and comedy about religion. There's even a ventriloquist who has a suicide bomber puppet.

Ok, sometimes, when you do, people might call you on it. But that's their right to, those who are offended should also have a voice. Obviously, a degree of reserve and reason should apply. Being offensive and insulting just for the sake of being offensive and insulting isn't really very clever.

Its like all those people exercising their 'free speech' by publishing cartoons of the prophet (or staging prophet cartoon competitions in the states). Its probably a good argument, the first time you do it. But when you stage an annual competition or just keep doing it, you're just being offensive for the attention.

Just offending people because you can, isn't free speech its being a c**t.

Pandering to lunacy is not going to make it go away.
Insulting people is hardly clever but being threatened with violence for offending them is another matter. That has to be met with resistance.

Free speech has never meant you can say what you like at any time but political correctness is now being used as a political weapon or a method of deflecting blame. I have never known a time where so many people have to apologise for the things that they have said because it is seized upon by one agenda driven group or another.
As I said before there are far too many people who take themselves way to seriously.
None of it will matter when we are dead.


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Pandering to lunacy is not going to make it go away.
Insulting people is hardly clever but being threatened with violence for offending them is another matter. That has to be met with resistance.

Free speech has never meant you can say what you like at any time but political correctness is now being used as a political weapon or a method of deflecting blame. I have never known a time where so many people have to apologise for the things that they have said because it is seized upon by one agenda driven group or another.
As I said before there are far too many people who take themselves way to seriously.
None of it will matter when we are dead.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 May 2016 8.18pm)

That's right. Tony Blair apologising for the potatoe famine. We weren't even there. Ken Livingstone apologising for the slave trade, again we weren't there. Yes it was abhorant but we weren't there. By all means remember these terrible things that have happened so we can learn the lessons, but why are we apologising as we weren't there.

Good post Hrolf The Ganger.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 May 16 9.36am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Pandering to lunacy is not going to make it go away.
Insulting people is hardly clever but being threatened with violence for offending them is another matter. That has to be met with resistance.

Free speech has never meant you can say what you like at any time but political correctness is now being used as a political weapon or a method of deflecting blame. I have never known a time where so many people have to apologise for the things that they have said because it is seized upon by one agenda driven group or another.
As I said before there are far too many people who take themselves way to seriously.
None of it will matter when we are dead.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (11 May 2016 8.18pm)

Threatening people with violence isn't political correctness either though. I do agree some people have adopted a dogma of 'political correctness' but that isn't political correctness either - its just another form of implementing control through the use of rhetoric.

If its not challenging peoples preconceptions or ideas, then its not political correctness.

People who apologise for what they said or did, when they did nothing wrong are half the problem. That's more about PR than political correctness.

Certainly people on all sides of the spectrum are guilty of using the phrase or ideas of political correctness as a weapon. These people are simply sophists, they've done this kind of thing since man started recording history; its about political control.

It goes to the core of human arguments, highlighted in 'Socretes' that there are people for who arguments are about winning and those for being right/finding the truth is more important than winning.

The first is the basis of politics the second the basis of philosophy.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 May 16 9.46am

Originally posted by fed up eagle

That's right. Tony Blair apologising for the potatoe famine. We weren't even there. Ken Livingstone apologising for the slave trade, again we weren't there. Yes it was abhorant but we weren't there. By all means remember these terrible things that have happened so we can learn the lessons, but why are we apologising as we weren't there.

Good post Hrolf The Ganger.

It depends on how you want to look at it. I don't see those apologies as being on my behalf, but being delivered as the representative of the nation itself, not its current population.

A nation doesn't have a life span limited to its generations, but represents the collective historical discourses of those generations. Which includes Slavery. So to an extent, the nation represents more than just the people who are alive. Indeed history is the very nature of the idea of nation. It is a construct of its people, past and present, as well as the activities and decisions of those people (past and present).

I don't see how apologising on behalf of the nation for Slavery is a bad thing. Our ancestors were wrong. Nationalism embraces history, it should own the good as well as the bad.

Granted I think people weirdly see anything like this as about them. And its not, unless you're a 200 year old vampire, you should really be capable of understanding that the Apology isn't about the Nation now taking responsibility, its about the shame of our ancestors not taking responsibility for something abhorrent and cruel.

We also at the same time were celebrating our nations role in the abolishment of slavery and the slave trade.

So I don't see a contradiction.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Threatening people with violence isn't political correctness either though. I do agree some people have adopted a dogma of 'political correctness' but that isn't political correctness either - its just another form of implementing control through the use of rhetoric.

If its not challenging peoples preconceptions or ideas, then its not political correctness.

People who apologise for what they said or did, when they did nothing wrong are half the problem. That's more about PR than political correctness.

Certainly people on all sides of the spectrum are guilty of using the phrase or ideas of political correctness as a weapon. These people are simply sophists, they've done this kind of thing since man started recording history; its about political control.

It goes to the core of human arguments, highlighted in 'Socretes' that there are people for who arguments are about winning and those for being right/finding the truth is more important than winning.

The first is the basis of politics the second the basis of philosophy.

A very intelligent post.

It is true that there is nothing new about manipulating minds but as a population living in the information drenched world of the 21st century we must be less inclined to be accepting of any fashionable or agenda driven nonsense we are fed.

The so called PC culture is just a small part of a greater conspiracy which goes way beyond genuine moral guidance. On one level, it is the chatter of the easily lead who have been indoctrinated on an intellectual level. Ultimately it is driven by the sophistry of the men in the shadows who pull the strings and have the power and wealth.

Paranoid? You decide.
Truthfully. I don't really spend too much time worrying about any of this stuff but it is how I see it.

 

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