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View nhp61's Profile nhp61 Flag Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 19 Feb 16 6.44pm Send a Private Message to nhp61 Add nhp61 as a friend

Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff

Not quite true. It was the Irish government who called a second referendum on a "watered-down" constitution.

Not a big fan of the EU but they have no power to call a referendum in a sovereign state, let alone two.

The British government might call another, who knows. But on this at least, the EU has no say. Assuming they did, it's not in their interest to have an in-out referendum in the first place!

According to the Guardian, the Irish government was under a lot of pressure to hold a second referendum...

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View -TUX-'s Profile -TUX- Flag Alphabettispaghetti 19 Feb 16 6.57pm Send a Private Message to -TUX- Add -TUX- as a friend

Vote 'IN' and we have to except whatever Europe throws at us in the future.
Vote 'OUT' and we'll always have options.

Bit of a 'no-brainer' really.

As with the General Election, very few of us will notice a difference regardless of the usual (and constant) 'media propaganda'.
Life will carry on as usual. That's what life does.

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 19 Feb 16 6.58pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

And apart from seemingly hefty dose of Farageitis...what statistical evidence do you base your assumption that 'We don't need or want to change it from within, we want out of it to be in charge of ourselves once again'. Who exactly is WE and how many?

For what it is worth, I do wholeheartedly agree that EU has been a poorly run political animal but rather than put it down , it needs to be operated upon from within, for the potential growth and development that it can generate for UK needs & interests.

For those who wish us to leave, then you obviously think Barack Obama is likewise a cretan given his views. He said the UK's EU membership "gives us much greater confidence about the strength of the transatlantic union".

So is Barack wrong as well? Or is he a realist in terms of modern day market forces and beyond?

Obama will have his own addenda, just as Merkal has hers and we have our own. Just because Obama wants something does not mean it is in the British people’s best interests.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Feb 16 7.00pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher


For what it is worth, I do wholeheartedly agree that EU has been a poorly run political animal but rather than put it down , it needs to be operated upon from within, for the potential growth and development that it can generate for UK needs & interests.

Most of the world is not in the EU and most of the world is doing better than the EU. In actual fact we would continue to trade with the EU as the rest of the world does, assisted by a bi-lateral free trade agreement which they need more than we do.

Outside the EU we would return to being a self-governing democracy with a global instead of a little European perspective.

VOTE LEAVE

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Feb 16 7.00pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle


Obama will have his own addenda, just as Merkal has hers and we have our own. Just because Obama wants something does not mean it is in the British people’s best interests.

Very true.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 19 Feb 16 7.09pm

Apparently Greece are now threatening to veto Britain’s EU deal should other member states choose to close their borders to refugees.

This is the same Greece that have been propped up by EU money for the past two years now dictating what Britain can and can’t do.

Oh the irony.


Edited by Tom-the-eagle (19 Feb 2016 7.10pm)

 


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View -TUX-'s Profile -TUX- Flag Alphabettispaghetti 19 Feb 16 7.16pm Send a Private Message to -TUX- Add -TUX- as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Apparently Greece are now threatening to veto Britain’s EU deal should other member states choose to close their borders to refugees.

This is the same Greece that have been propped up by EU money for the past two years now dictating what Britain can and can’t do.

Oh the irony.


Edited by Tom-the-eagle (19 Feb 2016 7.10pm)

The same Greece that should never have been in the EU in the first place yet were somehow 'allowed'?

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 19 Feb 16 7.23pm

Originally posted by -TUX-

The same Greece that should never have been in the EU in the first place yet were somehow 'allowed'?

I'm not sure what is happening to me

This is actualy quite hard for me to admit, but that was the 2nd post of yours that I have agreed with this afternoon TUX.

I better have a lay down.

 


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View leifandersonshair's Profile leifandersonshair Flag Newport 19 Feb 16 8.42pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I've spent 40+ years in the finance sector as an IFA, compliance director and in an actuarial department.

I have absolutely no concerns at all about our economy.

We are doing well now despite the EU and will continue to prosper if and when we leave it.

There were the same concerns being raised now as when we opted to keep the Pound rather than adopting the Euro. Those concerns turned out to be false. Luckily the public weren't fooled and made the right decision to support keeping the Pound.

As someone else has already pointed out, the likes of Germany rely upon us to export their goods at a rate of double to what we export to them!

Do you really think they will be implementing harsh trading terms towards us?

The Pound trades well against all currencies - always has done, always will. Our credit rating may well rise if we leave the EU as our economy would not be associated with the EU which is still struggling as a whole.

I cannot see one argument for remaining in the EU economically.

I am not laying out my view, merely stating how the arguments will probably shake out. Basically, the strongest/most high profile/most emotive argument for each side- that the economy will crash and burn and we'll be plunged into a dystopian wasteland, Mad Max style (if we leave) and that we'll be drowned in gazillions of immigrants stealing our jobs whilst simultaneously scrounging off the system (if we stay).

This thread seems to suggest that is the case- and it isn't pretty

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 19 Feb 16 9.29pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

And apart from seemingly hefty dose of Farageitis...what statistical evidence do you base your assumption that 'We don't need or want to change it from within, we want out of it to be in charge of ourselves once again'. Who exactly is WE and how many?

For what it is worth, I do wholeheartedly agree that EU has been a poorly run political animal but rather than put it down , it needs to be operated upon from within, for the potential growth and development that it can generate for UK needs & interests.

For those who wish us to leave, then you obviously think Barack Obama is likewise a cretan given his views. He said the UK's EU membership "gives us much greater confidence about the strength of the transatlantic union".

So is Barack wrong as well? Or is he a realist in terms of modern day market forces and beyond?


Is this the same Obama who was dismissing the so-called 'special relationship' last April?

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He's just another politician who bends whichever way the wind blows.......

 


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View corkery's Profile corkery Flag Cork City 19 Feb 16 9.52pm Send a Private Message to corkery Add corkery as a friend

I see Ireland are getting an exemption from this rule as Irelan/UK benefit rules were agreed before the EU was formed, hmmmm. Being a welfare inspector on the border most be a very hard job haha

 


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View crystal balls's Profile crystal balls Flag The Garden of Earthly Delights 19 Feb 16 10.13pm Send a Private Message to crystal balls Add crystal balls as a friend

Originally posted by -TUX-

Vote 'IN' and we have to except whatever Europe throws at us in the future.
Vote 'OUT' and we'll always have options.

Bit of a 'no-brainer' really.

As with the General Election, very few of us will notice a difference regardless of the usual (and constant) 'media propaganda'.
Life will carry on as usual. That's what life does.

Vote in and we'll continue to have a say in how the largest trading block in the world develops in the future; vote out and we'll have no say but still have to abide by the rules that they decide. We'll still have free movement of people, goods and services, as the Swiss and Norwegians have now, plus we'll have to abide by any new rules they come up with after we've gone.

It's no surprise that the vast majority of company bosses in the UK are for a yes vote, and that the unions are also throwing their weight behind the yes campaign.

I hope the vote happens at the earliest opportunity, the uncertainty has been damaging and will continue to hurt us if the vote is delayed beyond this summer at the latest.

I am confident that common sense will prevail, and this urge to shoot ourselves in the foot will be seen as an attempt to return the UK to a mythical time and place that wasn't that great for most people anyway.

 


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