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 steeleye20 Online  Croydon 02 Oct 18 11.41am |
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Who would have thought, on your day-trip to France, you would need to fill out special forms to 'enter the EU' in advance. Banana land brexit.....
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Oct 18 12.01pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Who would have thought, on your day-trip to France, you would need to fill out special forms to 'enter the EU' in advance. Banana land brexit..... It may not come to that but even if it does I can live with that for the one or 2 times a year I travel abroad. The principle is no different to an ESTA for the USA. To me what is odd is not doing that. Just because someone has a passport why should you let them into your country? If that person has a criminal record I should think any destination country would like to know that before they decide to allow them to enter. So if the EU want to do that I see no issue. As for us I am all in favour of checking people out before they arrive.
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| dannyboy1978 02 Oct 18 1.18pm |
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This whole brexit fiasco is 100% down to the left. They created a PC society that has well and truly come to rest so much so the politicians are scared to say somthing wrong!! Talk about immigration - your racist So with politician's scared and nothing done and brexit
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 02 Oct 18 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It may not come to that but even if it does I can live with that for the one or 2 times a year I travel abroad. The principle is no different to an ESTA for the USA. To me what is odd is not doing that. Just because someone has a passport why should you let them into your country? If that person has a criminal record I should think any destination country would like to know that before they decide to allow them to enter. So if the EU want to do that I see no issue. As for us I am all in favour of checking people out before they arrive. We have border police already that is their job.
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| dannyboy1978 02 Oct 18 1.20pm |
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This whole brexit fiasco is 100% down to the left. They created a PC society that has well and truly come to rest so much so the politicians are scared to say somthing wrong!! Talk about immigration - your racist So with politician's scared and nothing being done brexit was people's way of expressing their frustration. Well done the left, your PC world works wonders
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 02 Oct 18 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
This whole brexit fiasco is 100% down to the left. They created a PC society that has well and truly come to rest so much so the politicians are scared to say somthing wrong!! Talk about immigration - your racist So with politician's scared and nothing being done brexit was people's way of expressing their frustration. Well done the left, your PC world works wonders The brexit poll was called by the Tory PM Cameron and the entire brexit affair is a battle within the tory party, with consequences for us. The 'left' has nothing whatever to do with it.
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| dannyboy1978 02 Oct 18 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The brexit poll was called by the Tory PM Cameron and the entire brexit affair is a battle within the tory party, with consequences for us. The 'left' has nothing whatever to do with it. It was called because of pressure from UKIP!!!
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| The White Horse 03 Oct 18 12.47pm |
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Whether Brexit was a good idea or not, it's very clear that Theresa May isn't going to negotiate a good deal and Jeremy Corbyn isn't going to be given a crack at it. So the three immediate options are a bad deal, no deal or remain. If the bad deal won't even be agreed by the EU, that gives two options. And I'd be interested to see if the 52% who voted leave could stay united in such a vote. Given Brexit negotiations have gone so badly, I suspect not.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 03 Oct 18 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It may not come to that but even if it does I can live with that for the one or 2 times a year I travel abroad. The principle is no different to an ESTA for the USA. To me what is odd is not doing that. Just because someone has a passport why should you let them into your country? If that person has a criminal record I should think any destination country would like to know that before they decide to allow them to enter. So if the EU want to do that I see no issue. As for us I am all in favour of checking people out before they arrive. This already happens with passenger lists and Europol. This additional paperwork, red tap and cost is to control migration and stop people working or staying. Would be necessary if FOM ended. It's a symbol of the erosion of our rights as much as anything else. Ironic that May said in her conference speech that when we are free to choose we choose freedom, neatly forgetting that she was also announcing a policy to remove the freedom of 65m Brits to live and work across the EU.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 03 Oct 18 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by The White Horse
Whether Brexit was a good idea or not, it's very clear that Theresa May isn't going to negotiate a good deal and Jeremy Corbyn isn't going to be given a crack at it. So the three immediate options are a bad deal, no deal or remain. If the bad deal won't even be agreed by the EU, that gives two options. And I'd be interested to see if the 52% who voted leave could stay united in such a vote. Given Brexit negotiations have gone so badly, I suspect not. There are really only 2 options, if you accept that the UK will not renege on the GFA (something that really should be unthinkable). Option 1: Canada style FTA, but keeping NI in the EU Customs Union and parts of the Single Market. This would necessitate an Irish Sea border and would prevent NI from being party to future UK FTAs. NI could only leave the CU and SM if some form of technology was invented that would enable customs, standards and phyto-sanitary checks to be conducted without any infrastructure anywhere. This is certainly not imminent and likely impossible. This would be voted down by Labour and the DUP and pro-EU Tories. Option 2: The UK stays in the CU and SM, negating the need for any new borders anywhere in the UK. This would be coupled with changes to the UK operation of FOM, in line with the rules, to prevent people staying who haven't got a job or can't support themselves without state help.
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 04 Oct 18 3.57pm |
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The idea that brexiteers have assumed, that freedom of movement means people just wander in and out of each others' countries willy-nilly, could not be more wrong. In fact there could be an exception in some respects to this, and that is the UK. Since the immigration crisis the EU has acted to give member states license to introduce their own rules and quotas, provided the principle of free movement is maintained. The UK, with Mrs May as Home Secretary, declined to follow EU directives enabling the UK to enact its own If you think that you can just wander about in the EU you are very much mistaken. Brexiteers only ever look at their own requirements, they assume that the UK is the place to be and that EU citizens need to come here for work. That may not be the case, certainly in the future, and was the opposite during the late 70's early 80's when many British workers myself included went to Europe to learn and work when in the UK there were 3 million unemployed here in the UK.
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| dannyboy1978 04 Oct 18 4.27pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The idea that brexiteers have assumed, that freedom of movement means people just wander in and out of each others' countries willy-nilly, could not be more wrong. In fact there could be an exception in some respects to this, and that is the UK. Since the immigration crisis the EU has acted to give member states license to introduce their own rules and quotas, provided the principle of free movement is maintained. The UK, with Mrs May as Home Secretary, declined to follow EU directives enabling the UK to enact its own If you think that you can just wander about in the EU you are very much mistaken. Brexiteers only ever look at their own requirements, they assume that the UK is the place to be and that EU citizens need to come here for work. That may not be the case, certainly in the future, and was the opposite during the late 70's early 80's when many British workers myself included went to Europe to learn and work when in the UK there were 3 million unemployed here in the UK. didnt the paris attackers wander around europe ?
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