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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Nov 18 9.02am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I bet he has more frustrated young people out of work or earning very little one either what they accept doing or hate doing because they can’t get into what they’d prefer to do because they’re not cheap enough or can’t get the experience the cheaper EU labour have. If we all lived in overcrowded houses or were here for a few years it would be great, but we’re not. This is our home and it has to work as a home. There are other ways to run a country and not this way. The longer this goes on the more difficult it is to reverse, relying on the immediate tax gain, at a cost to the longer term health and prosperity of the country and citizens. Even more pubs closing is another downside. Invite millions of more intelligent Mediterranean graduates tomorrow. The views would soon change. I've said it before and I will say it again. We should import our politicians and civil servants from Eastern Europe. They're cheaper and will work harder. Let's see if the establishment is still as keen on open migration! One more point
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Beckenham 16 Nov 18 9.02am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I bet he has more frustrated young people out of work or earning very little one either what they accept doing or hate doing because they can’t get into what they’d prefer to do because they’re not cheap enough or can’t get the experience the cheaper EU labour have.

If we all lived in overcrowded houses or were here for a few years it would be great, but we’re not. This is our home and it has to work as a home. There are other ways to run a country and not this way. The longer this goes on the more difficult it is to reverse, relying on the immediate tax gain, at a cost to the longer term health and prosperity of the country and citizens.

Even more pubs closing is another downside.

Invite millions of more intelligent Mediterranean graduates tomorrow. The views would soon change.

I've said it before and I will say it again. We should import our politicians and civil servants from Eastern Europe. They're cheaper and will work harder. Let's see if the establishment is still as keen on open migration!

One more point

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Mapletree Croydon 16 Nov 18 9.07am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Hard Brexiter here or just Brexiter, I'm not overly fussed which of the two labels Remainers choose for me. Becoming a vassal state of the EU is not leaving the EU. May has embarrassed this country, hopefully she is finished & oddly I'm optimistic we'll get a proper brexit government & walk away from an EU desperate for more & more control. This confuses me. Don’t you live in Slovakia now? What’s with the ‘me’? Wouldn’t Brexit make your life much more complex?
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Croydon 16 Nov 18 9.07am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Hard Brexiter here or just Brexiter, I'm not overly fussed which of the two labels Remainers choose for me.

Becoming a vassal state of the EU is not leaving the EU.
May has embarrassed this country, hopefully she is finished & oddly I'm optimistic we'll get a proper brexit government & walk away from an EU desperate for more & more control.

This confuses me. Don’t you live in Slovakia now? What’s with the ‘me’?

Wouldn’t Brexit make your life much more complex?

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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 18 9.09am
Originally posted by Mapletree This confuses me. Don’t you live in Slovakia now? What’s with the ‘me’? Wouldn’t Brexit make your life much more complex? Yes Maple, because it's always about an individual's self interest when it comes to the country isn't it. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2018 9.18am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Nov 18 9.09am

Originally posted by Mapletree

This confuses me. Don’t you live in Slovakia now? What’s with the ‘me’?

Wouldn’t Brexit make your life much more complex?

Yes Maple, because it's always about an individual's self interest when it comes to the country isn't it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2018 9.18am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 16 Nov 18 9.33am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yes Maple, because it's always about an individual's self interest when it comes to the country isn't it. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2018 9.18am) I was rather more thinking take advantage of freedom of movement then shut the door behind you.
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Croydon 16 Nov 18 9.33am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yes Maple, because it's always about an individual's self interest when it comes to the country isn't it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2018 9.18am)

I was rather more thinking take advantage of freedom of movement then shut the door behind you.

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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 18 9.37am
Originally posted by Mapletree I was rather more thinking take advantage of freedom of movement then shut the door behind you. You talk like you won't be allowed to work in Europe or vice versa. It'll just go back to something like the previous situation. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Nov 18 9.37am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I was rather more thinking take advantage of freedom of movement then shut the door behind you.

You talk like you won't be allowed to work in Europe or vice versa. It'll just go back to something like the previous situation.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 16 Nov 18 11.44am
How appropriate. The Brexit thread hits page 1066 Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 16 Nov 18 11.44am

How appropriate.

The Brexit thread hits page 1066

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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becky over the moon 16 Nov 18 12.24pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You talk like you won't be allowed to work in Europe or vice versa. It'll just go back to something like the previous situation. Unless you are one of these young people who demand the freedom as a right to live and work in Europe...... except they may find it rather harder to get a job there than they think, or certainly harder across the greater part of the EU based on these figure:- [Link] A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 16 Nov 18 12.24pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You talk like you won't be allowed to work in Europe or vice versa. It'll just go back to something like the previous situation.

Unless you are one of these young people who demand the freedom as a right to live and work in Europe...... except they may find it rather harder to get a job there than they think, or certainly harder across the greater part of the EU based on these figure:-

[Link]

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Nov 18 12.33pm
Originally posted by mezzer How appropriate. The Brexit thread hits page 1066 And with the same result !!
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Croydon 16 Nov 18 12.33pm

Originally posted by mezzer

How appropriate.

The Brexit thread hits page 1066

And with the same result !!

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 16 Nov 18 12.43pm
It's almost like young people never travelled or worked in Europe before the EU existed. Oh but wait...! Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Nov 2018 12.44pm)
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Beckenham 16 Nov 18 12.43pm

It's almost like young people never travelled or worked in Europe before the EU existed. Oh but wait...!

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Nov 2018 12.44pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 16 Nov 18 12.52pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle It's almost like young people never travelled or worked in Europe before the EU existed. Oh but wait...! Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Nov 2018 12.44pm) I remember those days, I can only assume you do not. Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs. As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that.
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Croydon 16 Nov 18 12.52pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It's almost like young people never travelled or worked in Europe before the EU existed. Oh but wait...!

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Nov 2018 12.44pm)

I remember those days, I can only assume you do not.

Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you

Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs.

As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 16 Nov 18 1.07pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I remember those days, I can only assume you do not. Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs. As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that. Firstly, technology has sped up everything we do in life since pre-1970s. To visit the US for up to 3 months requires an ESTA which can be bought online and lasts for two years. Cost $14 I think. Not difficult. Working in the US is trickier but so it should be. Apply online and then the only crappy bit was sitting in the US embassy for 2-3 hours to get approved which took 2 minutes. My media visa was for 5 years. Again, it's not a big deal. Does long queues at immigration put people off from visiting or working in the US? NO.
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Beckenham 16 Nov 18 1.07pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I remember those days, I can only assume you do not.

Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you

Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs.

As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that.

Firstly, technology has sped up everything we do in life since pre-1970s.

To visit the US for up to 3 months requires an ESTA which can be bought online and lasts for two years. Cost $14 I think. Not difficult.

Working in the US is trickier but so it should be. Apply online and then the only crappy bit was sitting in the US embassy for 2-3 hours to get approved which took 2 minutes. My media visa was for 5 years. Again, it's not a big deal. Does long queues at immigration put people off from visiting or working in the US? NO.

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Nov 18 1.11pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I remember those days, I can only assume you do not. Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs. As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that. Me too, my memory of being a guest worker in West Germany was of interminable bureaucracy. It took me months of trekking from office to office and while working night shifts. You still have to satisfy the checks of the country you are going to, but FOM is simple compared to what existed previously and effective for the unemployed to move to high employment areas. That is all it is, the market working.
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Croydon 16 Nov 18 1.11pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I remember those days, I can only assume you do not.

Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you

Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs.

As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that.

Me too, my memory of being a guest worker in West Germany was of interminable bureaucracy.

It took me months of trekking from office to office and while working night shifts.

You still have to satisfy the checks of the country you are going to, but FOM is simple compared to what existed previously and effective for the unemployed to move to high employment areas.

That is all it is, the market working.

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