As I say, I'd have an immigration policy similar to that of Japan....mainly to ensure that this country remained English/British for the centuries to come....but I know that isn't going to happen....but it's my view for what's it is worth.

Anyway as for what I've said on genetics and intelligence....the consensus is that a person's intelligence is significantly set from their genetics just as much behaviour is...for example just as your sexuality is mainly set genetically (though not exclusively so).

However, I'd agree that an individual's environment and the culture around them has an influence: environment affects genes.

I'd imagine that in some instances it's more important than in others as it's unlikely that everybody is the exact same on this nature/nurture front.

Opinions in the field vary but it's mostly agreed at somewhere between 50 to 80 percent for genetics......I'd personally say it's nearer the 80 percent from what I've read but I'd much prefer the 50 percent figure because that would be better for humanity.

Eventually I'd hope that the field of genetics would help humanity out with this reality.....though improving genetics via gene therapy or designer babies has its own issues.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 4.42pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The guy who believes IQ tests are biased wants to criticise me on what I discount???

Once I read that the guy on the report worked with Ken Livingstone.....I have to admit the cynicism grew significantly.

I'm also from this field, I know what happens with these statistics.....I know how one demographic gets far more investment than another and then you get people like you presenting it as natural.

When we have a thread on genetics and intelligence don't worry Maple, I'll spend some time on it again and get all my sources together. Then you'll be rinsed if you want to argue along those same lines.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

May's well on the road to nowhere but you're right to highlight the lack of leadership potential in other quarters. I can see Boris throwing his hat in but that's about it. May will walk the vote anyway though so it's academic.

From there my take is that a second vote is 50 / 50 as crashing out or saying "f*** it we'll remain" are both options that come with their own complications, in part due to not preparing for the former to begin with.

If you drill down to what I've said I've always recognised the individual. No one individual is defined by a group genetic. I've only talked about averages and how responsible societies should act because of them.

As for you belief that mixed race is the 'solution' for what you think of as racism.......Well ok, in one sense it is.

But I have a right to an identity. I never used to value it before when it wasn't under threat..... but now I do....Even you want to eliminate it apparently if I'm reading you right......Would you say the same for Jews?....that they should be mixed out of existence, or blacks....Asians.....Hell, does anyone have a right to an identity?

I don't want any identity to be washed away in an utopian mish mash that wouldn't work anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 5.11pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Not a solution as such, but rather an angle which with to reach certain people who are either overly enamoured with their own race, from black to white, or those who fail to relate to those of another race on a meaningful level due to their own mental blocks.

By no means am I suggesting that everyone should suddenly hook up with someone of a different race. I'm saying that logically race doesn't matter that much to a great many people and so there will naturally be more of a mix even within existing demographics. As I said, I couldn't care less if future immigration was cut to zero.

Your identity and emphasis in life is to a large extent what you make it. You seem to be eager to view your entire identity as something that is inevitably being washed away, is all but dead and gone, and that the country is s*** as consequence. It's your head that got you there, not someone elses genes, colour or newly minted citizenship.

Wow twice in 2 posts - way to go as the Americans have an irritating habit of saying.

More of your unpleasant habit of dismissing the messenger to discredit the message.

Had you considered that people with reasonable opinions far outnumber those like yourself and that they drop in here once in a while and just share them?

No of course you haven't.