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 becky  over the moon 20 Dec 18 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Even after 12 years of freedom of movement there are approximately 10,000 unfilled nursing positions in the NHS. So why haven't British workers seen the opportunity and trained to become nurses? Clearly it isn't because immigrants have taken all the jobs on the cheap. There's also a 20% shortfall in staff in the hospitality industry. Chefs wake up after a night on the piss and don't show up to work, they can walk into another job right away. I only had a British person apply for a chef's job once. Without letting me know he failed to show up for an interview. He then called me up the next day to ask for another appointment. Why isn't there a queue round the block of young British people wanting to work in the restaurant, hotel trade? There are plenty of vacancies. Edited by steve1984 (20 Dec 2018 5.52pm) Because it is now a degree based qualification, and they have recently done away with bursary (something fairly small like £400 per month) that used to be paid to trainees like my Goddaughter. She was into her second year training as an Operating Dept specialist nurse, but as also a mother to 3 children, she couldn't afford to study without that income. Apparently 2/3ds of her year also left for the same reason.
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| Tawny Croydon 20 Dec 18 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Because it is now a degree based qualification, and they have recently done away with bursary (something fairly small like £400 per month) that used to be paid to trainees like my Goddaughter. She was into her second year training as an Operating Dept specialist nurse, but as also a mother to 3 children, she couldn't afford to study without that income. Apparently 2/3ds of her year also left for the same reason. That's sad. To my mind they shouldn't change any of these arrangements mid course. Of course those in power care not, the edict comes down and if you're impacted by it it's hard cheese as far as they're concerned.
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 chris123 hove actually 20 Dec 18 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Because it is now a degree based qualification, and they have recently done away with bursary (something fairly small like £400 per month) that used to be paid to trainees like my Goddaughter. She was into her second year training as an Operating Dept specialist nurse, but as also a mother to 3 children, she couldn't afford to study without that income. Apparently 2/3ds of her year also left for the same reason. Or move to Scotland.
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| steve1984 20 Dec 18 6.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I answered that in part earlier on. Sorry I didn't see that. Where did you post it? Edited by steve1984 (20 Dec 2018 6.20pm)
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| steve1984 20 Dec 18 6.24pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
Because it is now a degree based qualification, and they have recently done away with bursary (something fairly small like £400 per month) that used to be paid to trainees like my Goddaughter. But I thought the shortage was a long running problem? Not saying that the bursary didn't exacerbate the situation but surely it's just one reason there aren't enough nurses? Where was she doing her training? Edited by steve1984 (20 Dec 2018 6.25pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Dec 18 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Talk about whoosh! None of it matters All that matters is what comes next Sadly, nowadays there can be no objectivity about the history as everyone lies
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| Stirlingsays 20 Dec 18 7.09pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
None of it matters All that matters is what comes next Sadly, nowadays there can be no objectivity about the history as everyone lies They always lied. I realised a while ago that 'objectivity' is a mirage. In truth the best you can hope for are competing visions that are regulated, ideally as lightly as you can. An honest person is always recognised independent of their politics.....I mostly disagreed with Tony Benn but from what I saw of him, I was always struck by the purity of his intent.....Like his son, who I disagree with because he's an internationalist....honest person, should have been the leader of the Labour party, but didn't want it. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Dec 2018 7.14pm)
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| .TUX. 20 Dec 18 7.12pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Because it is now a degree based qualification, and they have recently done away with bursary (something fairly small like £400 per month) that used to be paid to trainees like my Goddaughter. She was into her second year training as an Operating Dept specialist nurse, but as also a mother to 3 children, she couldn't afford to study without that income. Apparently 2/3ds of her year also left for the same reason. An absolutely ridiculous decision if ever there was one. A cynic might say that it was a deliberate stance to justify importing more foreigners. Who knows.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Dec 18 7.16pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
An absolutely ridiculous decision if ever there was one. A cynic might say that it was a deliberate stance to justify importing more foreigners. Who knows. Imagine our shock.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Dec 18 7.25pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The operations manager at Dover dock was frank with the C4 news people, stating that he faced 'Armageddon'. East Midlands Airport and the NFU followed in similar vein. As he looked out of his window at Dover one of those double-length lorries pulled up with large letters on the side 'BLAIR'. Noone seemed to notice, I was tickled.
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Attachment: | Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Dec 18 7.27pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
An absolutely ridiculous decision if ever there was one. A cynic might say that it was a deliberate stance to justify importing more foreigners. Who knows. Yep. Apart from quite straightforward treatments and things that they’d be trained in, it’s the doctors who are required to have thorough knowledge and analytical ability, not nurses. By trying to go beyond what’s adequate, they’ve effectively damaged the profession and the service to patients by losing numbers. This country is run by tw&ts.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Dec 18 7.35pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Blimey....paragraphs would be nice. To address some of your points. Both campaigns contained lies. However, only one campaign was state funded, so complaints about funding seem very establishment and one eyed to me, certainly not based upon the idea that both campaigns should have had equal access or funding....because they didn't. I would support another vote over how Brexit has done once it's had a fair chance, say ten years. At the moment the country hasn't had what it voted for implemented. You want a vote before Brexit has happened to stop it occurring in the first place.....When the reality is that we haven't had Brexit yet. I disagree with you over referendums. I think they are a valuable guide to the pulse of the nation on controversial single topics. Switzerland uses them far more often and does very well for itself. I also don't quite have your faith in the effectiveness of our representative democracy.....However, I recognise that its alternatives also have valid criticisms.
I don't know where you get the idea that the Remain campaign was state funded. Both campaigns received equal state support but the bulk of the money came from rich businessmen on both sides, with the Leave campaign raising more. To his shame one of the biggest Leave donors was Jeremy Hosking. It's true that the government sent out leaflets setting out the basic options on both sides and recommending that we stay, but this was not part of the campaign. I saw many more outright lies from Leave. Remain had no need to lie because what the EU does was there for all to see, although many chose not to look. All they did was make forecasts, which can be right or wrong, but cannot be lies. Remain had a much harder task, in that they had to defend the status quo rather paint a fanciful picture of a golden tomorrow. Fast forward to today and we see a much better informed electorate who are now aware both of the benefits of the EU and the consequences of leaving. It is the consequences of leaving, that have been laid out in their stark reality, which really makes the difference. People no longer see greener grass over the hedge. They can see a quagmire full of pitfalls and uncertainties. That there are some, you included I guess, who believe that the pain of a declining economy and an uncertain future, is worth it and that our "independence" is priceless. I don't. I think that is outdated thinking and that the future of all countries like ours is best served by joining together in organisations like the EU. Coming out and re-assessing in 10 years is a cop out when everyone knows that we would be much worse off by then. Even the most optimistic Brexiteer accepts that. You must either permanently accept that the pain is a price worth paying or stay in. Why go through 10 years of decline to then re-enter on what would almost certainly be worse terms?
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