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deleted user  27 Feb 19 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Purging my life of them today. Never lost a friendship over a political issue but today is the Rubicon moment for me. Had enough of having to listen to people try to lecture me that my vote has no validity. End of the line for reasoned debate. We either leave the EU properly by March 30th or else all bets are off. People were people long before these cliched ephemeral identities of 'remainers' and 'leave' and most aren't militantly dead set on these simplistic identities for themselves or for others. Be careful what you throw away while you're riling yourself up.
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 steeleye20 Croydon 27 Feb 19 1.17pm |
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Not agreed. Thatcher started the blame game with Europe. 'We have to have someone to blame'. What a convenient scapegoat to have, unelected bureaucrats on your doorstep etc.etc. It worked perfectly, rescuing the embattled chancellor, Lawson, his desk strewn with papers pulling his hair out after his disastrous cock-up over the ERM. Michael Heseltine confirms that is what happened. Our people have become used to blaming the EU for their troubles, it could not be further from the truth. May obviously thinks in the same way, and she could not have a more gullible audience.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Feb 19 1.25pm |
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Labour are proposing a second vote with Remain on the ballot paper. Vote for May Deal or Vote Remain If this happens its a joke. I voted leave and I don't like May's deal so what am I suppose to vote for? We should not be having a 2nd vote but if we did Remain should not be on the ballot it should be May deal or No deal. Some pundits are claiming this is clever politics by Corbyn as he is giving the appearance of supporting a 2nd vote whilst knowing that this will not get through parliament. I say careful what you wish for this has every chance of happening and if Corbyn doesn't really support this he may rue the day he decided to play party politics with the national interest. If his 2nd vote choice goes ahead I guess I will either boycott it or spoil my vote. For me its a Hobson's choice.* *When you appear to have a choice when in fact you don't e.g. any colour you like as long as it's black.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 27 Feb 19 1.49pm |
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Have to say with all the bickering, procrastination and intentional delaying of getting on with the thing...IF a second vote came our way i'd change my vote from Remain to LEAVE...lets just get the f*** on with it. Half the problems/concerns being caused is due to the above. once there is a clear direction we'll all be taking then we'll just get on with planning for it!
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Pussay Patrol  27 Feb 19 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Not agreed. Thatcher started the blame game with Europe. 'We have to have someone to blame'. What a convenient scapegoat to have, unelected bureaucrats on your doorstep etc.etc. It worked perfectly, rescuing the embattled chancellor, Lawson, his desk strewn with papers pulling his hair out after his disastrous cock-up over the ERM. Michael Heseltine confirms that is what happened. Our people have become used to blaming the EU for their troubles, it could not be further from the truth. May obviously thinks in the same way, and she could not have a more gullible audience. It's the oldest trick in the book, blame another section of society or anything foreign to deflect the blame or your own failings. Just a shame even today so many people buy the con, even on this thread you have people depicting Europe as our enemy. Hook, line and sinker....
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| steeleye20 Croydon 27 Feb 19 1.58pm |
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May's government is a minority propped up by a few dubious NI unionists, that is the UK version of democracy (satire). She triggered article 50 without any clue as to what kind of Brexit could command the confidence of parliament or her party, and she did so without having any conversation with MPs or the country. In true brexit fashion, parliament nodded the whole thing through without any qualms whatsoever, casting any remaining doubts as to their competence to address any matter at all (an HS2 aside). Instead, the referendum result was taken as an instruction to deliver a hard Brexit, with the UK leaving the single market and the customs union. Her approach was rejected in 2017 by the electorate who substantially cut her majority. She really doesn't have a mandate not that it will bother her, the daily chaos will continue to the end. Not the end, the 'end of the beginning'. Wonder what this thread will be like in 5 years time. Bin the whole exercise? Definitely the best outcome. But what else can the conservative party do? They would be unemployed !!!
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| Matov 27 Feb 19 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
People were people long before these cliched ephemeral identities of 'remainers' and 'leave' and most aren't militantly dead set on these simplistic identities for themselves or for others. Be careful what you throw away while you're riling yourself up. No. This now goes beyond the usual slings and arrows. We voted Leave on June 23rd having been assured that decision would be acted upon. Anybody who tries, in any way, shape or form to seek/celebrate that being ignored is not somebody I wish to be associated with. I have voted lots of time for a losing candidate and have never once then sort to have that result over-turned, let alone celebrated. Had a gutful of it now. If somebody wants to campaign for us to rejoin the EU, then best of British to them. Have zero issue around that but ever since June 23rd the constant whining and arseaching from those who failed to grasp a really simple concept that 52% beats 48% in a referendum with only two options has now become too much to bear, especially given the utter c***s in Parliament, who not only voted by an over-whelming majoirty to give us the referendum in the first place but then did the same with us handing in notice to leave now try and screw us out of the result can go and f*** themselves. Along with anybody who cheers them on. Anybody wanting the result from June 23rd to be ignored needs to be utterly ashemed of themselves. And they are not people I want to associated with. I will observe the basic civilities should I encounter them but outside of that, I have nothing but contempt. No longer part of my life nor worthy of any respect.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Feb 19 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
No. This now goes beyond the usual slings and arrows. We voted Leave on June 23rd having been assured that decision would be acted upon. Anybody who tries, in any way, shape or form to seek/celebrate that being ignored is not somebody I wish to be associated with. I have voted lots of time for a losing candidate and have never once then sort to have that result over-turned, let alone celebrated. Had a gutful of it now. If somebody wants to campaign for us to rejoin the EU, then best of British to them. Have zero issue around that but ever since June 23rd the constant whining and arseaching from those who failed to grasp a really simple concept that 52% beats 48% in a referendum with only two options has now become too much to bear, especially given the utter c***s in Parliament, who not only voted by an over-whelming majoirty to give us the referendum in the first place but then did the same with us handing in notice to leave now try and screw us out of the result can go and f*** themselves. Along with anybody who cheers them on. Anybody wanting the result from June 23rd to be ignored needs to be utterly ashemed of themselves. And they are not people I want to associated with. I will observe the basic civilities should I encounter them but outside of that, I have nothing but contempt. No longer part of my life nor worthy of any respect.
But most people are normies who don't use social media politically. The majority of people have views influenced by the MSM and/or just blindly believe what is fed to them by the individuals within their families......That's why it's only a minority who have different politics from their family environment. Most people do what is convenient, like electrons they prefer the lowest energy state. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2019 4.04pm)
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| Matov 27 Feb 19 4.09pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It is even more than that. I have no problem with people having a wide range of political beliefs. I actually enjoy the debate and discussion. Makes me challenge my own views and I am genuinely interested in different opinions. But we had a vote. And a promise it would be adhered to. If Remain had won then as far as I was concerned, it was done and dusted. Can put my hand on my heart and say that whilst I would not have taken the defeat with a good spirit, I would have accepted it. What I loathe is this blatant disregard for the validity of the vote that I cast, along with over 17 million others. Like somehow they no longer matter. That sickens me far more than any disagreement over a political viewpoint. This actually destroys the very bedrock upon what our entire system of governance is meant to be built upon. And I struggle to grasp why Remain Retards fail to grasp the damage they are doing to the actual foundations of our society. That they can be so stupid whilst constantly portraying themselves as the supposedly brighter ones in our society.
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| CharlesPaterson 27 Feb 19 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
That sickens me far more than any disagreement over a political viewpoint. This actually destroys the very bedrock upon what our entire system of governance is meant to be built upon. And I struggle to grasp why Remain Retards fail to grasp the damage they are doing to the actual foundations of our society. That they can be so stupid whilst constantly portraying themselves as the supposedly brighter ones in our society.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 27 Feb 19 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
It is even more than that. I have no problem with people having a wide range of political beliefs. I actually enjoy the debate and discussion. Makes me challenge my own views and I am genuinely interested in different opinions. But we had a vote. And a promise it would be adhered to. If Remain had won then as far as I was concerned, it was done and dusted. Can put my hand on my heart and say that whilst I would not have taken the defeat with a good spirit, I would have accepted it. What I loathe is this blatant disregard for the validity of the vote that I cast, along with over 17 million others. Like somehow they no longer matter. That sickens me far more than any disagreement over a political viewpoint. This actually destroys the very bedrock upon what our entire system of governance is meant to be built upon. And I struggle to grasp why Remain Retards fail to grasp the damage they are doing to the actual foundations of our society. That they can be so stupid whilst constantly portraying themselves as the supposedly brighter ones in our society. There will always be the next vote M, we get your point I am sure by now. Calling people retarded is pretty stupid. Democracy is ongoing and in the future people may choose Europe and even a different system as ours is so dated.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Feb 19 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
It is even more than that. I have no problem with people having a wide range of political beliefs. I actually enjoy the debate and discussion. Makes me challenge my own views and I am genuinely interested in different opinions. But we had a vote. And a promise it would be adhered to. If Remain had won then as far as I was concerned, it was done and dusted. Can put my hand on my heart and say that whilst I would not have taken the defeat with a good spirit, I would have accepted it. What I loathe is this blatant disregard for the validity of the vote that I cast, along with over 17 million others. Like somehow they no longer matter. That sickens me far more than any disagreement over a political viewpoint. This actually destroys the very bedrock upon what our entire system of governance is meant to be built upon. And I struggle to grasp why Remain Retards fail to grasp the damage they are doing to the actual foundations of our society. That they can be so stupid whilst constantly portraying themselves as the supposedly brighter ones in our society. Yep good post. It's the efforts to stop Brexit that get to me. I get the continuing the argument and campaigning. But there is a genuine effort to frustrate the terms of the referendum that were offered. A referendum that the parliament voted to allow....that the parliament voted to implement the result of. Once Brexit happens I have no issues with there being a movement for a second referendum at some point........Even though.....no doubt....these same people never supported the allowing of the original referendum in the first place. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Feb 2019 4.19pm)
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