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 Mapletree  Croydon 02 Mar 19 8.55am |
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Here it comes We are a museum according to the Yanks
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Mar 19 1.50pm |
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There is a debate to be had here and as I don't know the science I have an open mind. Apparently chlorine wash is used on fruit and vegetables and no one seems concerned about that. Then look at the EU's reason for opposing chlorine washed chicken. "The EU argues that chlorine washes could increase the risk of bacterial-based diseases such as salmonella on the grounds that dirty abattoirs with sloppy standards would rely on it as a decontaminant rather than making sure their basic hygiene protocols were up to scratch." So the EU is not saying its bad but that it might lead to sloppy hygiene standards well isn't that an issue with regular safety inspections? I think there is an element of protectionism from the EU but I also think that some practices of US farmers need to improve. If its safe then as long as it is properly labelled let the consumer choose.
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 becky over the moon 02 Mar 19 2.03pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
There is a debate to be had here and as I don't know the science I have an open mind. Apparently chlorine wash is used on fruit and vegetables and no one seems concerned about that. Then look at the EU's reason for opposing chlorine washed chicken. "The EU argues that chlorine washes could increase the risk of bacterial-based diseases such as salmonella on the grounds that dirty abattoirs with sloppy standards would rely on it as a decontaminant rather than making sure their basic hygiene protocols were up to scratch." So the EU is not saying its bad but that it might lead to sloppy hygiene standards well isn't that an issue with regular safety inspections? I think there is an element of protectionism from the EU but I also think that some practices of US farmers need to improve. If its safe then as long as it is properly labelled let the consumer choose. Meanwhile, how many mouthfuls of swimming pool water have we swallowed in our lives without any ill effects?
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 02 Mar 19 2.15pm |
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Yep he's right of course. The Americans are so litigious there would be law suits stretching around the corner if there were major health concerns.
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| davenotamonkey 02 Mar 19 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
There is a debate to be had here and as I don't know the science I have an open mind. Apparently chlorine wash is used on fruit and vegetables and no one seems concerned about that. Then look at the EU's reason for opposing chlorine washed chicken. "The EU argues that chlorine washes could increase the risk of bacterial-based diseases such as salmonella on the grounds that dirty abattoirs with sloppy standards would rely on it as a decontaminant rather than making sure their basic hygiene protocols were up to scratch." So the EU is not saying its bad but that it might lead to sloppy hygiene standards well isn't that an issue with regular safety inspections? I think there is an element of protectionism from the EU but I also think that some practices of US farmers need to improve. If its safe then as long as it is properly labelled let the consumer choose.
Salmonella rates are higher in the EU than the US. In some EU "member states" SIX times higher. It's purely protectionism from the EU, wrapped up in the guise of "safety". As you rightly say, the Remainiacs appear entirely fine with eating chlorine-washed salad. The US (and indeed South American nations) export meat and agricultural produce extensively across the world. There, frankly, is no better beef than Argentine IMO. But that would be bad, because the EU needs it's own little insular fortress for the sake of it's own relevance. Keep the prices up, protect those farmers, to hell with the consumers, and freedom of choice. We used to be the envy of the world for standards. Indeed, many countries still use British Building standards that we've had to abandon for inferior EU equivalents (because very often, it's not a case of gold-plating the standards you already have, but needing to bow down in front of the Brussels Eurocracy). The whole political experiment is a disgrace, and I hope it destroys itself soon, as all empires eventually do.
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Pussay Patrol  02 Mar 19 6.29pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Salmonella rates are higher in the EU than the US. In some EU "member states" SIX times higher. It's purely protectionism from the EU, wrapped up in the guise of "safety". As you rightly say, the Remainiacs appear entirely fine with eating chlorine-washed salad. The US (and indeed South American nations) export meat and agricultural produce extensively across the world. There, frankly, is no better beef than Argentine IMO. But that would be bad, because the EU needs it's own little insular fortress for the sake of it's own relevance. Keep the prices up, protect those farmers, to hell with the consumers, and freedom of choice. We used to be the envy of the world for standards. Indeed, many countries still use British Building standards that we've had to abandon for inferior EU equivalents (because very often, it's not a case of gold-plating the standards you already have, but needing to bow down in front of the Brussels Eurocracy). The whole political experiment is a disgrace, and I hope it destroys itself soon, as all empires eventually do. Just so we're clear, you know more than the Government, DEFRA and the Prime Minister on this subject? Secondly, the EU would concoct a story, fabricate scientific evidence and lie about US Food products? I think you have a very vivid imagination Also, You would allow a trade deal and flood the UK with all these US products putting UK jobs at risk? Edited by Pussay Patrol (02 Mar 2019 6.30pm)
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 02 Mar 19 6.45pm |
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Someone doth protest too much. If the US agri-producers do not chlorine wash chicken etc., why worry about such regulations. Surely a win-win for the US and the UK. then again agri-law in the UK will be skewed towards the large producer rather than the consumer based on Gove's interview last week.
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| Pussay Patrol 02 Mar 19 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I actually ASKED you a question but as usual you cannot give an answer you said to Steely quote "Please back this up with TRUE facts." You then said to me quote "How much is squandered away by your friends in Brussels?" So you can make baseless statements but others have to back theirs up with "True Facts?"
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| Pussay Patrol 02 Mar 19 8.11pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I think that the concept of personal loss and sacrifice is one that you just don't understand. If it wasn't for people willing to suffer personal loss and sacrifice 80 years ago we would all now be speaking German and I'm guessing that if Germany were to try and take Europe by force again you would do nothing to stop it as there would be no financial gain in it for you So you're happy 33m of taxpayers money was used in this way?
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| Spiderman Horsham 02 Mar 19 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
you said to Steely quote "Please back this up with TRUE facts." You then said to me quote "How much is squandered away by your friends in Brussels?" So you can make baseless statements but others have to back theirs up with "True Facts?" What are my baseless statements? I asked you a question that you have not/cannot answer.
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| Pussay Patrol 02 Mar 19 9.41pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
What are my baseless statements? I asked you a question that you have not/cannot answer. Maybe he can maybe ha can't but a little hypocritical if you do the same
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| Midlands Eagle 03 Mar 19 7.15am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Just so we're clear, you know more than the Government, DEFRA and the Prime Minister on this subject? Secondly, the EU would concoct a story, fabricate scientific evidence and lie about US Food products? I think you have a very vivid imagination Also, You would allow a trade deal and flood the UK with all these US products putting UK jobs at risk? Perhaps he can actually read what articles say rather than what he wishes they said like the Remain Group's chief disseminator of fake news on HOL does. Nowhere in the article that you linked to does it say that chlorinating chicken is a health risk or would lower our food standards in any way. You express surprise that someone would "allow a trade deal and flood the UK with all these US products putting UK jobs at risk?" yet seem quite happy for the EU to flood the UK market with products that put UK jobs at risk
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