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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 19 Mar 19 12.40pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

When you say parliamentary system you mean democracy?

Yep.
Tory manefesto = leave
Labour manifesto = leave
Lib dems = remain

 

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View masonic_palace's Profile masonic_palace Flag Gatport Airwick 19 Mar 19 12.44pm Send a Private Message to masonic_palace Add masonic_palace as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
When you say parliamentary system you mean democracy?

Depends on your definition of democracy - Parliament is a representative democracy, where unfortunately our representatives don't always represent the views of the people that put them there.

For example, my idiot MP Sam Gyimah who is deliberatly ignoring the wishes of his majority Leave constituency and going with what he believes, even though at the last election he stood on a manifesto promise of leaving the EU.....

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

When you say parliamentary system you mean democracy?

The referendum result was quite clear. The promise to honour it is on the record.

Anything else is a betrayal.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 19 Mar 19 12.55pm

Originally posted by masonic_palace

Depends on your definition of democracy - Parliament is a representative democracy, where unfortunately our representatives don't always represent the views of the people that put them there.

For example, my idiot MP Sam Gyimah who is deliberatly ignoring the wishes of his majority Leave constituency and going with what he believes, even though at the last election he stood on a manifesto promise of leaving the EU.....

Then vote against them in the next election, that's democracy

If democracy is the cornerstone of your argument you must accept it in all forms and whatever outcome

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Then vote against them in the next election, that's democracy

If democracy is the cornerstone of your argument you must accept it in all forms and whatever outcome

No. The referendum was a totally separate and unique vote. It had nothing to do with parliamentary elections.

The plebiscite decided the way forward and politicians have no credible mandate to ignore it.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 19 Mar 19 1.06pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Not exactly Jarrow, was it Nigel ??????

Probably demonstrates the current level of brexit support.

I have seen longer bus queues.


 

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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I thought they voted against no deal?

Or is it a case of democracy only when it suits?

Like not accepting the results of the referendum?

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 19 Mar 19 1.44pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Like not accepting the results of the referendum?

'Not accepting' isn't true. Try 'not agreeing' on how to leave. That is more accurate. If there was only one way of leaving then this would not be an issue.

I've said this before but it does continue to amuse me that everyone who voted leave thinks their 'version' of leaving is the one everyone else voted for. It's bollocks.

If you actually look at the post vote poll breakdowns regarding who voted for what and why – there are three different interpretations by three blocks of leave voters. To me that's optimistic – having read through this thread it's clear there are far more than that.

Leaving but with concessions is still leaving, whether you like it or not. Leaving with an EEA style deal is leaving. Leaving with Canada + is leaving. Leaving with No deal is leaving. Leaving with access to the single market is still leaving. And so on, and so on and so on.

So don't keep harping on about 'Leave means leave' because it's meaningless. Explain what you would like to mean by leave, stop using stupid soundbites. Then understand what you think it means is not what others voted for. Then suck it up.

Cheers.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 19 Mar 19 1.45pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. The referendum was a totally separate and unique vote. It had nothing to do with parliamentary elections.

The plebiscite decided the way forward and politicians have no credible mandate to ignore it.

True. But it had everything to do with parliament. Hence the situation we are in now.

It amazes me the same people that think MPs are muppets, then suspended belief and expected this to all run smoothly. Deluded.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 19 Mar 19 2.06pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Like not accepting the results of the referendum?

Quite so, and clearly the result of the 1975 referendum, when 67% of the vote was to remain, is not being respected.

So get over it losers etc.etc.

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 19 Mar 19 2.19pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

True. But it had everything to do with parliament. Hence the situation we are in now.

It amazes me the same people that think MPs are muppets, then suspended belief and expected this to all run smoothly. Deluded.

Not true

It has to be an act of Parliament, Parliament voted against a no deal brexit

Also, have swotted up on my legal jargon. Referendums do not have to be followed as they are not legally binding, changes of laws and legislation can only happen through act of Parliament as Parliament is sovereign

Democracy and sovereignty is why you voted to leave

 


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W12 19 Mar 19 2.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Quite so, and clearly the result of the 1975 referendum, when 67% of the vote was to remain, is not being respected.

So get over it losers etc.etc.

That was a referendum on the common market which is clearly not the EU. It's just a crap argument.

What has amazed me more than anything is watching the unchecked power of the Speaker in the house of commons to completely steer the entire processes based on his choice of amendments and what he will and won't allow. That's clearly subversion of the position and a fundamental fault in our political system that needs to be addressed.

That and all the main stream media debates that are completely antithetical to the discussions real people are having in this country. They are discussion and reporting on this like it's some kind of game.

I really don't think that Parliament, the ruling class and many remainers understand what's at stake and what is likely to happen if Brexit is not delivered or continues to be frustrated.

 

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