I havent looked at this thread yet, and didnt actually vote despite being able to from the States.

I find it interesting the people say "leave means leave" and "just get on with it" when in reality in 2016 people voted for a concept, not an implementable plan.

Its kind of like voting to have dinner or not. 20 people vote to have dinner. But one is allergic to fish, one is gluten intolerant, one hates pasta, the other is vegan. When the dish of Osso Bucco over cheesy polenta comes out, it causes an issue. They all voted to have dinner, but there was zero consensus on what should be on the menu.

What to do then?

Have another vote, this time on the specific menu options.

No one was talking about Northern Ireland in 2016. This is now the single most divisive issue for many people. The point is there were many, many unknowns in 2016. There were also a lot of lies on both sides, but many, many lies on the leave side about the "next morning trade deal" from David Davis or the 350 million quid NHS bus.

if 100% is knowing completely and utterly what this or that type of brexit causes, vs a no deal, etc, then in 2016 you could make the case that we were only at 15% of an understanding.

There are still unknowns but you could now say its more like 75%.

Given that extra 50% of knowledge, about jobs, immigration, business, the future prosperity of the economy in general, the backstop etc etc, I find it hard to argue against those calling for a second referendum. If MPs are allowed to vote 3 or 4 times on the same deal, you cannot state that the public are not allowed a second say in matters, now that the extra 50% of knowledge is actually available.

I did smile whilst watching the one o'clock News when Katya Adler said that Mrs May had returned to the UK and Macron and Merkel would be giving press conferences later on.

Anyone would think that the EU was actually a Franco German State as it seems that despite all members having an equal voice some are more equal than others - now where have I heard that before

Almost exactly spot on elgrande

Seconded, it is right to put the matter before the people as it is, not as the quite ridiculous and criminal referendum 3 years ago.

But it continues the circus while the country is on the bonfire.

So revocation of article 50 is essential IMO.

It is still within our power.

Before quoting this, you need to know how long his visa is valid for because UK Visit Visa valid for 6 months...£93 which, on my calculations is not more than £100. However visit visas valid for 2 or 5 years are a lot more

You are still clinging on to the second referendum illogic?

Embarrassing.