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Originally posted by Mapletree

I spoke to a Councillor from Somerset this week, she is door knocking due to upcoming elections

She said the farmers who voted leave have changed their minds. For all it’s inadequacies the CAP is now viewed as the better option than relying on UK politicians-especially Tories- to put in place suitable supports. They do indeed feel duped, realising this was a way simply to take back monies currently spent on support to agriculture.

So the strategy of Remain is to delay Brexit long enough so that people become disillusioned and change their minds?

Thanks for the confirmation.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Apr 19 10.11am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I agree but you must separate opinion and fact. You cannot make off the cuff remarks and claim them as fact, they must be substantiated and referenced

But that’s not your purpose. What you are saying is “I don’t agree with that. Prove it”. If you want evidence find it yourself. How many links do you provide? Or do you hold your own truths to be self evident?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So the strategy of Remain is to delay Brexit long enough so that people become disillusioned and change their minds?

Thanks for the confirmation.

Who knows. What I do know is that 'Remain' and 'Leave' are not one giant hive mind that all think the same, therefore insinuating that delaying in order to change peoples minds is some kind of organised, coherent strategy is reaching a little.

Also re. farmers, you can hardly blame them. I doubt they are as ideologically driven as you to continue to back something that will in fact ruin them, just out of principle. See most people. Just like the ERG, there is a dwindling hardcore of people who still give a s*** about this process. Everyone else is moving on. Or at least attempting to. Time to find the next thing to be bitter and resentful about...

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 17 Apr 19 10.34am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But that’s not your purpose. What you are saying is “I don’t agree with that. Prove it”. If you want evidence find it yourself. How many links do you provide? Or do you hold your own truths to be self evident?

I'm not saying that, I just dislike lazy retorts and throw away remarks to discredit a good debate where one has presented a credible article to support their argument

Just accept its a goal for our side and try and find an equaliser

Edited by Pussay Patrol (17 Apr 2019 10.34am)

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I'm not saying that, I just dislike lazy retorts and throw away remarks to discredit a good debate where one has presented a credible article to support their argument

Just accept its a goal for our side and try and find an equaliser

Edited by Pussay Patrol (17 Apr 2019 10.34am)

To repeat. I previously provided a link, which by the way wasn’t from one of your proscribed sources, and you dismissed it.
Where are the links to back up your assertions?

 

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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Who knows. What I do know is that 'Remain' and 'Leave' are not one giant hive mind that all think the same, therefore insinuating that delaying in order to change peoples minds is some kind of organised, coherent strategy is reaching a little.

Also re. farmers, you can hardly blame them. I doubt they are as ideologically driven as you to continue to back something that will in fact ruin them, just out of principle. See most people. Just like the ERG, there is a dwindling hardcore of people who still give a s*** about this process. Everyone else is moving on. Or at least attempting to. Time to find the next thing to be bitter and resentful about...

The bottom line is that we have had the referendum already.
How many governments have people regretted electing?

All of them eventually. It is in the nature of people to become dissatisfied with the existing circumstances.

The difference is that we haven't even left the EU yet, so no one is in a position to judge the effects.

Of course, some of us didn't just vote to line our own pockets and when have you ever heard a farmer happy about anything?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2019 10.51am)

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The bottom line is that we have had the referendum already.
How many governments have people regretted electing?

All of them eventually. It is in the nature of people to become dissatisfied with the existing circumstances.

The difference is that we haven't even left the EU yet, so no one is in a position to judge the effects.

Of course, some of us didn't just vote to line our own pockets and when have you ever heard a farmer happy about anything?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2019 10.51am)

Fair point about farmers, but still, the point around not voting to cut your nose off to spite your own face still stands.

The fact that we haven't even left the EU yet and it's this bad already, is exactly the reason why people are changing their minds. Not because of actual tangible effects as a result of leaving, but because of how badly it is being managed.

Doesn't exactly instils confidence for the post exit process does it. Everyone is taking one look at this s*** show and coming to the only logical conclusion. This is still why I can't understand people ranging against the establishment one minute, then expecting them to seamlessly deliver for them the next. It boggles the brain. The two are completely incompatible.

 


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.TUX. Flag 17 Apr 19 12.14pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

You don’t. You have a full on Orwellian complex. I’m yet to see one post where you don’t in some way crowbar in your fully observable facts and dress them up as sagely tellings that no one else has seen. Mix in a bit of chicken little, a tin hat, sandwich board and some bud, and we’re there. Again. For the 456 millionth time.

I’m waiting for the post that attempts to link a palace result to the global financial crisis.

Mr. Hang-up is off again.........

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The bottom line is that we have had the referendum already.
How many governments have people regretted electing?

All of them eventually. It is in the nature of people to become dissatisfied with the existing circumstances.

The difference is that we haven't even left the EU yet, so no one is in a position to judge the effects.

Of course, some of us didn't just vote to line our own pockets and when have you ever heard a farmer happy about anything?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2019 10.51am)

I am surprised that any farmers voted to leave. To me they are the natural constituents for the Remain camp. All that lovely free money they get versus the uncertainty of post Brexit funding.

However they are just one part of our country albeit an important one.

 


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View cpfc_chap's Profile cpfc_chap Flag koh samui 17 Apr 19 1.13pm Send a Private Message to cpfc_chap Add cpfc_chap as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

To repeat. I previously provided a link, which by the way wasn’t from one of your proscribed sources, and you dismissed it.
Where are the links to back up your assertions?


Remainers will only believe in there own sources all other are right-wing and irrelevant. They are the brainwashed people of society!

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 17 Apr 19 1.52pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I am surprised that any farmers voted to leave. To me they are the natural constituents for the Remain camp. All that lovely free money they get versus the uncertainty of post Brexit funding.

However they are just one part of our country albeit an important one.

Well obviously, its supporting local produce and ensuring a sustainable farming industry, unless you're in the camp of flooding the UK with cheap low quality produce and running our own industries into the ground? Taking back control equals passing more our wealth out of the country?

Never ceases to amaze me the raft of negative things leavers knowingly voted for with no positive balancer

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I am surprised that any farmers voted to leave. To me they are the natural constituents for the Remain camp. All that lovely free money they get versus the uncertainty of post Brexit funding.

However they are just one part of our country albeit an important one.

I doubt many would prefer to carry on under CAP, even tough it's been revised over the years, the subsidy system is deeply flawed and I'm not surprised farmers voted leave.

 

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