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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 May 19 9.21am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Polling Card Not Yet Arrived.

Just been listening to LBC apparently lots of complaints that voters have not received their polling cards for tomorrow's election.

For those of you that care as long as you are on the electoral roll it's not a problem just turn up and give your name. In a number of areas they are trialling id checks so in that case take some id.

If you are not on the polling registry there maybe a reason for it. Did you recently move home? Did you register this year? You have to do so every year. Are you a student at university, if so where are you registered your home or university town.

If its a town hall mistake it's probably too late to correct but at least get it fixed for the next election.

Good luck with voting for whichever party.

 


One more point

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 May 19 9.21am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH


It's almost as if, and bear with me with this one, that you can be an advocate of capitalism, free markets, and entrepreneurial behaviour, and still have a social conscience.

Everything doesn't have to be so binary.

Mmmm....depends upon the level of social conscience.

Feels very 'pick and choose' to me, a form of convenience politics, where all the downsides magically don't affect themselves.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 22 May 19 9.31am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You of course have no firm ideology.....just take that corporate money while promoting a very different form of politics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2019 9.04am)

You can play the system and win, well, do better than ‘Just about Manage’ and still have a firm ideology.

Part of me would really like to see Nigel (I’m not the political class but I am really) Farage win an election purely on Brexit, with no manifesto, no foreign policy, no substance other than ‘leave means leave’.

I can then sit back and watch as all the people that voted for him slowly get screwed over again in exactly the same way they always have. Then perhaps we won’t have this kind of borefest again for quite some time - people will realise that even when they think they’ve got a chance to matter in this world, they actually don’t. And in systems with power structures, the same outcomes always occur. Or become a socialist (how ironic).

Choose a vocation that pays well, work hard (as I’m continually told on this forum apparently everyone has the same equal opportunity these days, no matter upbringing or circumstance) and play the system. Or be bitter and spend your life ranting on a forum, earning pennies because you’re blaming your own deficiencies in life on someone else, and expecting something like Brexit to increase your financial, cultural or other type of standing now or in the future. Bit of a risky gamble.

I know id rather use money to fuel personal agency and reinvestment in community causes, or even getting into politics as part of a ‘necessary evil’ approach than either

• working hard in a profession that is morally rewarding but financially bankrupt (I have ultimate respect for these people but they clearly have zero personal logic and common sense, even more so these days)

• dossing through my school years, not testing myself and falling into a mid wage job, probably labour based, which I grow to resent, and instead of blaming myself I blame whatever is available around me - politicians, Brexit, wealthier people etc. Then I end up with arthritis, no pension because I’ve spent it all on beer to numb the pain and end my days living in a council flat with no heating because of my own ineptitude.

Even Stevey has my respect as although I disagree with a lot of his dross, and certainly the Amateurish way he goes about it, he is at least pushing himself to the limit for what he believes in / making a bit of money on the side. He is finding a way to play the system whilst retaining a firm ideology (albeit a much harder way).

Also, to be clear, the above does not relate to people that are just unlucky in life, they are just unlucky. And anyone can be unlucky, no matter how wealthy they may be.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 19 9.54am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But I thought you wanted what is right for the country and not what the electorate think.
In which case, why would we need a second referendum on anything?
You keep saying that the first was not binding so how would another be necessary?

You talk in self serving riddles.

Yep, the ignore button should be introduced right now.

 


COYP

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 19 9.57am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I want Parliament to do their job which is to take the decisions on our behalf. If it is their decision to consult the electorate in a referendum (which legally cannot be binding) and then decide to reflect what the electorate say in their own decisions then that is a matter for them.

I much prefer that they reach an agreed position in Parliament without the need to do that.

Wisbech speech on Wednesday to remain.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 19 9.59am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Your point being what?

The election on Thursday is one that no-body wanted to hold to elect MEPs to a Parliament that the apparent leading Party doesn't want to belong to.

It's not a GE. Nor a referendum. It's the EU election.

It's meaningless.

To you it is now, because you know you won’t like the result. Watch the after effects.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 19 10.07am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

I also work with companies who move their staff around the world and in and out of the UK. Brexit is causing untold headaches for employers, and this is just one tiny area of the whole Brexit clusterf*ck.

If we somehow end up with your No Deal 'utopia' the amount of agreements that will cease to have effect that will need to be re-agreed is mind blowing. But then it's never been about the detail and the real world has it - all ideology.

I bet they bl00dy do, and so will the ones importing cheap labour causing hardship to the people I voted for. Not me, because it won’t make much difference to me, but it will for millions of other poor b@stards. We must break this destructive ongoing cycle to the British labour force because it’s too short sighted. We will adapt and some prices might rise, some might fall, some companies will wither from the false cheap labour and some will prosper. You will cry onto your wrist bands but we might continue as a positive nation without you whinging.

 


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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Its nearly 3 years and they havent reached an agrement, your just making things up now. What your suggesting Is a form of dictatorships. The people wanted out, with your rules it couldn't happen.
If you want those rules I suggest manifestos become legal as both lab and con promised out.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (22 May 2019 5.47am)

That they haven't reached an agreement yet doesn't mean they haven't tried to, or won't in the end. It just means that when faced with the complex realities of organising a withdrawal that causes the least damage they cannot find a way forward that commands a majority. Both major parties remain committed to honouring their pledges but just not in the way that you want them to.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 May 19 10.14am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Presumably, Brexit Party MEPs will not take the wages from an institution they despise.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 19 10.17am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Presumably, Brexit Party MEPs will not take the wages from an institution they despise.

I don’t expect them to do that because they won’t be working while being there. But they’ll be backing us leaving and out of the role that’s enough.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

To you it is now, because you know you won’t like the result. Watch the after effects.

The after effects? There won't be any except in the minds of the ultra Brexiteers. What will happen will happen anyway, whatever the EU election results throw up.

The right wing of the Tory party are already circling the corpse of a lame duck PM ready to install a hardliner but that won't make any difference in the end because it's Parliament who are now controlling the agenda and not the Government.

It will still be a pigs breakfast, but one with slightly different ingredients. It will still need compromise to sort out and increase the possibility of an early GE and a Labour led coalition Government.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 19 10.33am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The after effects? There won't be any except in the minds of the ultra Brexiteers. What will happen will happen anyway, whatever the EU election results throw up.

The right wing of the Tory party are already circling the corpse of a lame duck PM ready to install a hardliner but that won't make any difference in the end because it's Parliament who are now controlling the agenda and not the Government.

It will still be a pigs breakfast, but one with slightly different ingredients. It will still need compromise to sort out and increase the possibility of an early GE and a Labour led coalition Government.

Ah, more going against the opinion and will of the people you’re counting on I see then.

 


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