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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 25 Jun 19 9.56pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Meat is meat
Raw and wriggling
Chlorinated
Or just plain packaged
We are the superior mammal.
Until we are not then crack on.

Was that an aborted attempt at poetry? Also ‘superior’ mammal may be technically true but in reality it’s questionable

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ever? Of course. When I was younger and far more ignorant.

Nowadays? No chance. Unless I’m completely battered. Then anything is on the table.

Especially your average kebab house or chicken shop. Jesus. That’s not even meat. It’s water with added rubber, and a sprinkling of entrails (in fairness there’s nothing wrong with offal). KFC is not actually too bad if you look at their welfare standards, but still not free range - which is the best they can do as its not reallly a practical solution for a corporate behemoth.

People moan about £10+ burgers and expensive ‘posh’ fried chicken but in most cases there is a reason for it - the meat is more ethically sourced and far better quality.

You might also be wise to check the FSR of the establishments you clearly frequent on a regular basis - as well as a dose of elephant leg you’re probably getting some rodent DNA thrown in for good measure. Enjoy

Boy oh boy SW19 how long ago was it when your family was working class?

I think perhaps your perspective is fine for yourself and those like you and....well in some aspects I'd agree but.....

Ten pound burgers?

Listen, you have the same basic body as a caveman living thousands of years ago and a bit of your exaggerated 'elephant leg' isn't going to do sod all to your health.

The reason life expectancy is lower in the US isn't down to sodding chicken is it.....so all this comes across as a bit la-di-da.....You make it sound as if US food standards are third world or that we going to sign away any standards.

You pay for your top tier food (whose availability is relatively recent) and cheap food will be available for those who can afford it......I don't see health standards being lowered to threatening levels.

We ate well in this country and had our own standards long before the EU gave us a different set.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2019 11.46pm)

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Was that an aborted attempt at poetry? Also ‘superior’ mammal may be technically true but in reality it’s questionable


Well until a dolphin can engage me in a conversation about ethics I'll beg to differ.

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Well until a dolphin can engage me in a conversation about ethics I'll beg to differ.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2019 10.13pm)

If humans were intelligent enough to understand dolphin communication, you could have a conversation with them. But sadly, we’re too stupid.

 

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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

If humans were intelligent enough to understand dolphin communication, you could have a conversation with them. But sadly, we’re too stupid.

I think you are perhaps guilty of romanticising the level of dolphin intelligence. They are only adapted for their environment....highly intelligent in those terms...but limited in terms of any other adaptation of their environment.

Or perhaps I've forgotten about that giant undersea city that the dolphins don't have......maybe it's just a matter of time until dolphin Steve Jobs comes up with the next iphone.....made from fish scales.

When it comes to intelligence.....I think if you are calling the species that we hold in large tanks all around the world and gape at...as being more intelligent than us....Then perhaps being more intelligent isn't enough.

In reality intelligence is only worth something if something useful can come from it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2019 12.06am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Listen, you have the same basic body as a caveman living thousands of years ago and a bit of your exaggerated 'elephant leg' isn't going to do sod all to your health.

I doubt whether the caveman's elephant leg was filled with hormones like much of today's meat is.

Last time I looked at cave drawings I didn't see any of people dying of mad elephant disease


Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We ate well in this country and had our own standards long before the EU gave us a different set.

I think that the huge number of grossly overweight people in this country indicate that we don't all eat well although we have the ability to do so

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2019 11.46pm)

 

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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I still find it amazing people eat battery reared animals. Price is not a reason – save up and eat less meat, and when you do make it free range or organic.

I think that price is the main driver as there is such a demand for cheap meat in this country that people demand it as a right.

Whenever a chef appears on TV to discuss the appalling treatment of chickens the sale of battery chickens falls for a week or two before everyone forgets about it.

In any event I'm guessing that the biggest customers of battery farmed chickens are the processed food companies

 

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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ever? Of course. When I was younger and far more ignorant.

Nowadays? No chance. Unless I’m completely battered. Then anything is on the table.

Especially not your average kebab house or chicken shop. Jesus. That’s not even meat. It’s water with added rubber, and a sprinkling of entrails (in fairness there’s nothing wrong with offal). KFC is not actually too bad if you look at their welfare standards, but still not free range - which is the best they can do as its not reallly a practical solution for a corporate behemoth.

People moan about £10+ burgers and expensive ‘posh’ fried chicken but in most cases there is a reason for it - the meat is more ethically sourced and far better quality.

You might also be wise to check the FSR of the establishments you clearly frequent on a regular basis - as well as a dose of elephant leg you’re probably getting some rodent DNA thrown in for good measure. Enjoy

Edited by SW19 CPFC (25 Jun 2019 9.57pm)

How will you honestly know ? They are businesses making a profit. You literally have no idea.

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

How will you honestly know ? They are businesses making a profit. You literally have no idea.

Is that how you live your life? In negative stasis?

The bigger the brand the more they have to lose by not being truthful or adhering to trading standards. It’s obviously not possible to know for certain unless you do some research, but if you live your life by the mantra ‘how do you know anyone is telling the truth about anything’ then how do you ever make it out of the house

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Well until a dolphin can engage me in a conversation about ethics I'll beg to differ.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2019 10.13pm)

Haha. Look I think you get my point - we’re doing a pretty good job of ruining everything as a species so it’s ironic that we’re supposed to be the most ‘superior’

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Boy oh boy SW19 how long ago was it when your family was working class?

I think perhaps your perspective is fine for yourself and those like you and....well in some aspects I'd agree but.....

Ten pound burgers?

Listen, you have the same basic body as a caveman living thousands of years ago and a bit of your exaggerated 'elephant leg' isn't going to do sod all to your health.

The reason life expectancy is lower in the US isn't down to sodding chicken is it.....so all this comes across as a bit la-di-da.....You make it sound as if US food standards are third world or that we going to sign away any standards.

You pay for your top tier food (whose availability is relatively recent) and cheap food will be available for those who can afford it......I don't see health standards being lowered to threatening levels.

We ate well in this country and had our own standards long before the EU gave us a different set.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2019 11.46pm)

I’m not entirely sure what class has to do with it. You can be working class and still want to eat decent meat. Similarly you can be working class and be affluent, to counter balance the implied reason for raising it in this context.

There is a reason expensive stuff is expensive, most of the time. My point is, much like Primark, Cocaine and a whole variety of things, there is often a massive ethical and in some cases health negative consequence to ridiculously cheap things. The old adage ‘too good to be true’ still holds water. Unless you’re on the poverty line there’s no reason to throw ethics and reason out the window.

Of course life expectancy being low in the US isn’t about Chicken. That point wasn’t made. The general danger is it’s mission creep - lower standards in one area (resulting in increased profit) and soon enough we’ll be back in the 70s. And Lets not be too romantic about the 70s, which was a terrible decade, the food offerings were basic, diets were atrocious and most people’s idea of exotic food was either fish and chips or sprayable cheese.

Cheap food can and is still of high quality. It just depends what you’re eating - fruit, veg, pulses, non processed items, don’t have to be expensive to be decent. But things like meat are a different story. It’s also the point that you simply don’t need to eat vast quantities of the s*** stuff. Eat less and better quality.

Also re. Top tier food - maybe at a commercial level but it’s always been available. It’s just more available now as people’s attitudes have changed and the market has cashed in.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (26 Jun 2019 10.16am)

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Of course life expectancy being low in the US isn’t about Chicken. That point wasn’t made. The general danger is it’s mission creep - lower standards in one area (resulting in increased profit) and soon enough we’ll be back in the 70s. And Lets not be too romantic about the 70s, which was a terrible decade, the food offerings were basic, diets were atrocious and most people’s idea of exotic food was either fish and chips or sprayable cheese.

You don't have to go as far back as the seventies either. In 1986 I moved to Newcastle Upon Tyne and the big supermarket that I went to had a choice of cabbage, carrots or swede for vegetables.

When I had lived there for about a year that same supermarket started selling courgettes and when I bought some the checkout cashier didn't know what they were and had to ask me

 

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