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 steeleye20  Croydon 06 Aug 19 10.23am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Or because currency speculators see a quick buck e.g. George Soros driving the pound out of the ERM. The pound is weak because of uncertainty which the markets hate. Let's see what happens after we have left before we start writing our obituary.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 06 Aug 19 11.00am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Johnston world of blind optimism and obfuscation. Maybe or just a belief that this country will do just fine.
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| Maine Eagle USA 06 Aug 19 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Just heard some belligerent German Eurocrat on the radio they are not for budging. The EU would rather have a no deal which will hurt their people than remove the backstop which wont actually impact the lives of their citizens. This is all about preserving the European dream rather then what is best for the economies of the EU. As Neil Kinnock said of Arthur Scargill during the miners strike "you can't negotiate with someone who won't negotiate." Hold your nerve Boris they may not blink but neither should you. We would all do well to walk in other’s shoes from time to time. How the f*** would you feel about this nonsense and constant changing strategies from Britain if you were the EU? The backstop won’t impact the lives of their citizens? Did you actually just write that? Moronic drivel. Last time I checked Leo Varadkar spoke for a large swathe of EU citizens. You meant to say the backstop won’t impact your life, because you are ignorant of the matter in terms of how it is perceived in Ireland.
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| Midlands Eagle 06 Aug 19 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
The backstop won’t impact the lives of their citizens? Did you actually just write that? Moronic drivel. Last time I checked Leo Varadkar spoke for a large swathe of EU citizens. You meant to say the backstop won’t impact your life, because you are ignorant of the matter in terms of how it is perceived in Ireland. If we leave without a deal (that looks more and more likely) how will Ireland and the EU cope as we don't have to do anything as it will have become their problem. Neither Ireland nor the EU will accept a hard border so it will solve the problems of the Welsh farmers if all they have to do is to drive their sheep over the open border from Northern Ireland to the Republic and tariff free exports will have been maintained
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| Lyons550 Shirley 06 Aug 19 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
For sure. I was almost convinced last week that it is now almost certain to be no deal but reading around a lot of chat is that for all his positive bluster it is, essentially, the emperors new clothes I did enjoy the news about the massive countdown clock though. “At some point his government is going to have to stop promising stuff and actually start doing stuff. How many times can he talk about ‘free ports’ before someone asks what exactly he means and what he’s actually planning to do about it? He’s managed to promise a brand new immigration system to the surprise of the Home Office, who are currently two years into delivering a different brand new immigration system and still waiting for him to get round to appointing an immigration minister.” Classic. As long as one of the is Hull i'll be happy
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| Lyons550 Shirley 06 Aug 19 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
What trade deal could the UK get with the USA or EU with the pound deteriorating to the floor. It was the pounds weakness that put paid to Eden's delusion over Suez. The pound would have to be raised but it has not been deliberately weakened to gain economic advantage, it is where it is because the World thinks so little of the UKs future.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 06 Aug 19 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
We would all do well to walk in other’s shoes from time to time. How the f*** would you feel about this nonsense and constant changing strategies from Britain if you were the EU? The backstop won’t impact the lives of their citizens? Did you actually just write that? Moronic drivel. Last time I checked Leo Varadkar spoke for a large swathe of EU citizens. You meant to say the backstop won’t impact your life, because you are ignorant of the matter in terms of how it is perceived in Ireland. Lovin the irony of you posting this...well played sir
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| Badger11 Beckenham 06 Aug 19 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
We would all do well to walk in other’s shoes from time to time. How the f*** would you feel about this nonsense and constant changing strategies from Britain if you were the EU? The backstop won’t impact the lives of their citizens? Did you actually just write that? Moronic drivel. Last time I checked Leo Varadkar spoke for a large swathe of EU citizens. You meant to say the backstop won’t impact your life, because you are ignorant of the matter in terms of how it is perceived in Ireland. I think you meant to say you disagree with my opinion. If we leave without a deal what is the difference to a deal without a backstop. The EU has already said that they will put in place checks away from the border so why wont that work within a deal. Already the leader of the Irish farmers has asked the Irish PM to stop Britain signing new trade deals because he is worried that Irish farm exports will collapse. The Irish PM however is more concerned about keeping the EU happy than his own farmers. I would prefer a deal rather than no deal however the ball is in the court of the EU. The back stop was always a political tactic that has run it's course I don't think it's worth the EU risking exports to the UK when they already have a solution.
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| Matov 06 Aug 19 4.41pm |
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The backstop is there to keep the UK as a captive market for EU goods. And especially Ireland. All you need to understand is that 85% of Southern Irelands exports cross that border compared to less than 0.5% of ours. And the UK have categorically stated that they will not impose a hard border and are even willing to waive any tarrifs that might be due. The issue is purely political and designed solely to retain the UK as the customer for a variety of EU companies. As I have said on many occasions I get why the EU are so keen. What I cannot, for the life of me, fathom is why May and her cohorts were so willing to acquiesce. Makes no sense from a British POV because you cannot allow a foreign power to have a veto over who you do or do not trade with. The border in economic terms is nothing to us. A blip. Even with the 'hardest' of borders in place there still would be no passports required because of the Common Travel Area agreement which was in place long before the EU was a twinkle in some old Europeans eye. This is solely about the EU wanting to cripple us from making new trade deals which will bring in cheaper goods for us and mean we buy less of their over-priced produce. Nothing more, nothing less.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 06 Aug 19 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
The backstop is there to keep the UK as a captive market for EU goods. And especially Ireland. All you need to understand is that 85% of Southern Irelands exports cross that border compared to less than 0.5% of ours. And the UK have categorically stated that they will not impose a hard border and are even willing to waive any tarrifs that might be due. The issue is purely political and designed solely to retain the UK as the customer for a variety of EU companies. As I have said on many occasions I get why the EU are so keen. What I cannot, for the life of me, fathom is why May and her cohorts were so willing to acquiesce. Makes no sense from a British POV because you cannot allow a foreign power to have a veto over who you do or do not trade with. The border in economic terms is nothing to us. A blip. Even with the 'hardest' of borders in place there still would be no passports required because of the Common Travel Area agreement which was in place long before the EU was a twinkle in some old Europeans eye. This is solely about the EU wanting to cripple us from making new trade deals which will bring in cheaper goods for us and mean we buy less of their over-priced produce. Nothing more, nothing less.
When we finally get our freedom the Irish need to start using what's between their ears a bit more, as they cannot see the wood for the trees IMO.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Aug 19 5.36pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
The backstop is there to keep the UK as a captive market for EU goods. And especially Ireland. All you need to understand is that 85% of Southern Irelands exports cross that border compared to less than 0.5% of ours. And the UK have categorically stated that they will not impose a hard border and are even willing to waive any tarrifs that might be due. The issue is purely political and designed solely to retain the UK as the customer for a variety of EU companies. As I have said on many occasions I get why the EU are so keen. What I cannot, for the life of me, fathom is why May and her cohorts were so willing to acquiesce. Makes no sense from a British POV because you cannot allow a foreign power to have a veto over who you do or do not trade with. The border in economic terms is nothing to us. A blip. Even with the 'hardest' of borders in place there still would be no passports required because of the Common Travel Area agreement which was in place long before the EU was a twinkle in some old Europeans eye. This is solely about the EU wanting to cripple us from making new trade deals which will bring in cheaper goods for us and mean we buy less of their over-priced produce. Nothing more, nothing less. Good post.
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| Matov 06 Aug 19 6.03pm |
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Originally posted by susmik
When we finally get our freedom the Irish need to start using what's between their ears a bit more, as they cannot see the wood for the trees IMO. To be honest, Brexit hurts both of us with the short-term 'shock' perhaps more intensely felt in the UK although I suspect that it will all go far more smoothly than people anticipate (Project Fear makes for great TV but just look up reports about how ready Calais is. They want the traffic to keep flowing) but once out we can react much quicker than the EU ever can. We can lower corporation tax, sign trade deals and generally act in a much faster way than the EU ever can in terms of commerce. The UK recovers quickly from it and has a far more flexible Economic culture/tradition. The EU knows all of this and fears it greatly. Hence why they have sought to stick hand-cuffs on us. As to Ireland, then in someways, I feel a little bit of sympathy for them. The EU have patently used them and Mays regime hardly offered up much real resistance, being more than willing to effectively sell the country out over this back-stop. Dublin had every reason to believe it could set itself up as having a veto over what Britain does or does not do in the future and I suspect its leadership got a little carried away with that. With the reality being that whilst the UK might well catch a summer cold from a hard/clean Brexit, The Republic catches the flu. And that is not good, despite how tempting it might be to rubbed that t***s Varadkar's nose in it, the truth is that Ireland's prosperity is wrapped up in the UK's and we should never forget that.
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