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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Aug 19 10.49pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Dunno how we've got onto chlorine washed chickens, desperation I suppose!

Ever more instances of ridiculous fear mongering will manifest as the dying corpse of remain rattles it's last breath.

We manage the gas leak detection monitoring at several massive chicken slaughter houses and believe me, a spray of chlorine is not going to make any difference to the safety of consuming the birds.
Disgusting places with staggeringly low regulatory hygiene/welfare practices as it is (under EU direction!). Standards cannot be worse in the States, trust me.

They can, trust me. Try looking at the rates of food related illness by country. Slaughter houses are, of course, not places for the squeamish.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 19 10.58pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I wouldn't mind knowing how a US trade deal threatens the Good Friday Agreement. The two are completely unrelated. If some terrorists kick off in NI then that has nothing to do with Britain's trade.

It's a no deal Brexit which threatens the Good Friday Agreement! Pelosi is simply saying that Congress won't allow a trade deal to help facilitate that.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Aug 19 1.15am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Pelosi is interfering in the relationship between the UK and Ireland, something she has zero right to do.

Of course, we all know the real reason and it's just as deeply pathetic.

However, it's very typical of a Democrat to have crap trade deals and the hope of a Democratic victory in 2020 is probably why China is playing 'string along' till that election.

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According to the Lib Dems Harriet Harmon and Ken Clarke are ready to lead an emergency government.

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I don't believe a Unity government led by them will happen.

Leaving aside the matter of would they get the votes, if Clarke was to go into coalition with Labour and others this would effectively destroy the Tory party. I am not sure he is prepared to do that, vote against a no deal certainly, destroy his own party?

In 1939 faced with a world war Clement Attlee took the statesmen's decision to join with the Tories. This was the official policy of Labour and he took his party with him into government. This was not the action of a group of rebels.

The Tory members have just voted for a leader who made it clear he would leave without a deal if he had to. The Remain candidates sank without trace. Clarke could go into coalition but he and the other rebels would be sacked from the Tory party as there is no mandate or majority in the Tory party for this action.

So does Clarke want to be remembered as the man who split the Tory party? Tory members are a pretty loyal bunch but I don't think they would forgive this and the rebels would be deselected by their local party and or voted out by the electorate.

If Corbyn can win a vote of no confidince I can see some Tory MP's abstaining if he tried to form a coalition government and the odd one may join him. However I think the vast majority of Tory MP's will back Boris any coalition will not include a large number of Tories.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 19 10.43am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

All Pelosi is doing is react to Trump trying to influence Brexit. Ireland is a member of the EU and it is Trump's interference that is the root of the problem. The EU is rightly concerned about the impact of a no deal Brexit on the Good Friday agreement and Pelosi is acknowledging that concern.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's a no deal Brexit which threatens the Good Friday Agreement! Pelosi is simply saying that Congress won't allow a trade deal to help facilitate that.

It's the Irish Government that is threatening the Good Friday Agreement ! We have said we will not put a hard border, we have given them ways to get round having a hard border, but the Irish have always enjoyed being difficult - they seem to have nothing better to do - and the Pelosi threat is a great way to latch on to the American-Irish voters.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Aug 19 10.59am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by becky

It's the Irish Government that is threatening the Good Friday Agreement ! We have said we will not put a hard border, we have given them ways to get round having a hard border, but the Irish have always enjoyed being difficult - they seem to have nothing better to do - and the Pelosi threat is a great way to latch on to the American-Irish voters.

The only people threatening the Good Friday Agreement are terrorists. They don't have the backing of the community any more hopefully. There is a rise in British-bashing across the whole EU since Brexit though and particularly in Ireland where it is used to sidetrack against the government's incompetence. There are problems here that just aren't getting sorted. Housing is impossible and the health service non-existant.
Ireland is basically an EU lackey, since the bailout. Ireland has been used by the EU to make Brexit difficult - some would say even impossible. One thing's for sure - our politicians are getting something out of it. Cushy EU jobs for the boys and girls in the future. Who cares if loads are homeless in a rich country and if a few people die due to poor healthcare they will just have to join the queue for compensation.
The strange part of all of this is that you would think that Britain and Ireland could just say that they will never put on a border. If the EU insist then they can always build a wall if they like. And maybe put some Germans in guard towers along it.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 19 11.01am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

According to the Lib Dems Harriet Harmon and Ken Clarke are ready to lead an emergency government.

[Link]

I don't believe a Unity government led by them will happen.

Leaving aside the matter of would they get the votes, if Clarke was to go into coalition with Labour and others this would effectively destroy the Tory party. I am not sure he is prepared to do that, vote against a no deal certainly, destroy his own party?

In 1939 faced with a world war Clement Attlee took the statesmen's decision to join with the Tories. This was the official policy of Labour and he took his party with him into government. This was not the action of a group of rebels.

The Tory members have just voted for a leader who made it clear he would leave without a deal if he had to. The Remain candidates sank without trace. Clarke could go into coalition but he and the other rebels would be sacked from the Tory party as there is no mandate or majority in the Tory party for this action.

So does Clarke want to be remembered as the man who split the Tory party? Tory members are a pretty loyal bunch but I don't think they would forgive this and the rebels would be deselected by their local party and or voted out by the electorate.

If Corbyn can win a vote of no confidince I can see some Tory MP's abstaining if he tried to form a coalition government and the odd one may join him. However I think the vast majority of Tory MP's will back Boris any coalition will not include a large number of Tories.

That there are MPs, like Ken Clarke, with sufficient principles to put the country's interests before either their own or their Party's is something we should all welcome. That is, after all, their duty and what we pay them to do.

Clarke though would not "destroy the Tory Party". The seeds for that when it lurched to the right. Unless and until it once again moves to the centre ground is is destined to become a fringe party, sometimes in coalition and sometimes not.

Exactly how this will play out is as unclear to me as to everyone else but I suspect some very careful calculations will be made to ensure that Parliament control what happens and not Bogus Johnson, a PM chosen not by us but a small group of activists from the Tory shires. That they voted him in on a platform of a "no-deal" Brexit is no reason at all why our Parliament should accept it and I am sure they won't.

Whether it's Corbyn as a temporary PM, with no mandate to do anything except call an election, or another compromise choice, remains to be seen but that seems the most likely outcome.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 19 11.09am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky

It's the Irish Government that is threatening the Good Friday Agreement ! We have said we will not put a hard border, we have given them ways to get round having a hard border, but the Irish have always enjoyed being difficult - they seem to have nothing better to do - and the Pelosi threat is a great way to latch on to the American-Irish voters.

Playing the blame game gets us no-where. Clearly whatever "ways" have been suggested are either not practical or politically acceptable or they would by now have replaced the "backstop". I haven't read any "ways" at all beyond some theoretical ideas.

If the security forces are concerned about the threat of violence returning I am not really interested in whose fault it is. I just don't want it to happen.

 


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W12 16 Aug 19 11.55am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That there are MPs, like Ken Clarke, with sufficient principles to put the country's interests before either their own or their Party's is something we should all welcome. That is, after all, their duty and what we pay them to do.

Clarke though would not "destroy the Tory Party". The seeds for that when it lurched to the right. Unless and until it once again moves to the centre ground is is destined to become a fringe party, sometimes in coalition and sometimes not.

Exactly how this will play out is as unclear to me as to everyone else but I suspect some very careful calculations will be made to ensure that Parliament control what happens and not Bogus Johnson, a PM chosen not by us but a small group of activists from the Tory shires. That they voted him in on a platform of a "no-deal" Brexit is no reason at all why our Parliament should accept it and I am sure they won't.

Whether it's Corbyn as a temporary PM, with no mandate to do anything except call an election, or another compromise choice, remains to be seen but that seems the most likely outcome.

"lurched to the right"

It's been lurching left for decades

There are not many socially conservatives left in the party. Boris certainly isn't.

 

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Originally posted by W12

"lurched to the right"

It's been lurching left for decades

There are not many socially conservatives left in the party. Boris certainly isn't.

The UK has had a right-wing coup only 3 weeks ago.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

All Pelosi is doing is react to Trump trying to influence Brexit. Ireland is a member of the EU and it is Trump's interference that is the root of the problem. The EU is rightly concerned about the impact of a no deal Brexit on the Good Friday agreement and Pelosi is acknowledging that concern.



What has it got to do with her anyway? She should concentrate on her own country's efforts to start a conflict with Iran rather than poking her snout into other country's affairs

 

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