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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 23 Aug 19 3.22pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

It isn't only Renainers.

We all lose when this hits the fan. The idea of winners and losers was always a fallacy and should never have happened, pitting people against each other.

And an increasing number of people are realising that and realising they don't want a no deal Brexit in particular. Where is the justice for the majority of British people? As usual we end up living in and on the past. If you don't believe the majority would now go for Remain, let's have another plebiscite to find out.


I wouldnt, having voted remain in the first place. The continual bitching about losing the vote and obfuscation is embarrassing!

 


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New YouGov Times poll


CON 32(+2) LAB 22(+1) LD 20 + BREX 12(-2) FW Aug 20/21

 

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Originally posted by dollardays

New YouGov Times poll


CON 32(+2) LAB 22(+1) LD 20 + BREX 12(-2) FW Aug 20/21

Like the man said, politics has changed

Next Parliament will be hung. And each individual will vote tactically based almost exclusively on Brexit. As such intentions will change in support of expediency. It will be like a referendum, maybe even to take us back in if we do leave. That will happen in any case in due course, let's hope not too much damage has occurred before then.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Like the man said, politics has changed

Next Parliament will be hung. And each individual will vote tactically based almost exclusively on Brexit. As such intentions will change in support of expediency. It will be like a referendum, maybe even to take us back in if we do leave. That will happen in any case in due course, let's hope not too much damage has occurred before then.

If we Brexit before a GE my gut feeling is that the public will have had enough of that for now. I think the when it came the GE would be normal service resumed. That is why Boris is picking off key Tory targets like crime so he can fight Corbyn on traditional grounds and point to what he has already done.

GE before Brexit will be a referendum of sorts and as you said I would expect plenty of tactical voting by the public and the parties.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Aug 19 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

France and Ireland are suggesting they will refuse to ratify an EU trade deal with Brazil because of the Amazon fires.

Very noble of both countries to put the environment ahead of their own selfish needs.

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On a purely separate note I just heard a trade expert on LBC explain that the 2 countries who are likely to lose out most to agricultural products from Brazil are .... France and Ireland. Funny the BBC didn't mention that.

Apparently our boy is over their talking to the Brazilians and hasn't mention the fires.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Aug 2019 5.31pm)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Aug 19 7.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Did you read the link to the Leave leaflet? It was absolutely clear we would have a new trading relationship with the EU. And that isn't not a key element to why people voted as they did. Along with £350m per week for the NHS and getting rid of immigration.

Edited by Mapletree (23 Aug 2019 1.46pm)

The leave campaign was one of several campaigns to exit the EU. It wasn't the 'pope' it didn't speak for everyone on the leave side.

We will have a new trading relationship with the EU regardless of what happens.

The 350m figure isn't accurate...it varies depending upon how you measure it....and I certainly don't agree with giving all the EU money to the NHS. It was a dodgy slogan just as the remain campaigns had 'project fear'...and continue to have.

Getting rid of immigration?

Baby steps....baby steps.

 


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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

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Sack him

If true that is extremely bad and against his own party.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If true that is extremely bad and against his own party.

Good on him - revenge.

The voters (bless them) voted in Mrs May and her tory administration.

There has been a tory right-wing coup, not subject to elections and not what the voters voted for, their policies and ideology are different.

It is so easy in modern UK to gain power through the back door, through connections and what private school you went too.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Good on him - revenge.

The voters (bless them) voted in Mrs May and her tory administration.

There has been a tory right-wing coup, not subject to elections and not what the voters voted for, their policies and ideology are different.

It is so easy in modern UK to gain power through the back door, through connections and what private school you went too.

I'm not so sure about the wisdom of having an election everytime a party in power changes its leader.....it has some validity however when we have elections we don't vote in the actual leader anyway....it's obviously individual MPs.

An election every five years ensures that a vote is never that far away.

Anyway...what do you care about democracy Steely? ....Were you making this point and demanding an election when Brown took over from Blair? I highly doubt it.....I wasn't, even though I couldn't stand either of them...and I was on these boards at the time.

As for the 'private school' point.....that's both of them.

At least the Tory front bench doesn't look like Labour's...'give a gormless tart a role' job with about as much respect for merit as you'd expect from a party led by second rate commies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2019 7.45pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm not so sure about the wisdom of having an election everytime a party in power changes its leader.....it has some validity however when we have elections we don't vote in the actual leader anyway....it's obviously individual MPs.

An election every five years ensures that a vote is never that far away.

Anyway...what do you care about democracy Steely? ....Were you making this point and demanding an election when Brown took over from Blair? I highly doubt it.....I wasn't, even though I couldn't stand either of them...and I was on these boards at the time.

As for the 'private school' point.....that's both of them.

At least the Tory front bench doesn't look like Labour's...'give a gormless tart a role' job with about as much respect for merit as you'd expect from a party led by second rate commies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2019 7.45pm)

Second rate commies.
Ha ha that's a compliment.
Stalin wouldn't stoop so low for a vote.
Although if they did get in the Nobel prize goes to...... Maduro.

 

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Interesting read. I also noted a little throw away comment by the BBC that we have now completed trade deals with 39 countries. I believe these are with ones who already deals had with the EU so a cut and paste job but some on this board said this would be next to impossible take years etc.

It would seem that Mrs May and her team were never serious about planning for life away from the EU with or without a trade deal. I think the current team are showing that whilst there will always be bumps in the road it is not as bad as some fear.

I am glad to hear that they are using common-sense sense on border controls. I could never understand the view that we would not be able to import food and medicine to me that would only be true if UK officials and rules snarled up the process. After all if you are a Swiss drug company why would you not want to continue to sale your drugs in the UK? Any delays would have to be down to our side so thankfully someone has recognised this so I don't think it will be a big deal.

 


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