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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 28 Aug 19 9.03pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

For those afficianados of parliamentary democracy, there is an official 'proguration ceremony'.

Yes, ermine gowned Lords and Ladies 'doff their head-gear' to each other, wow how kinky...and being totally unelected of course gives a whole new dimension to parliamentary sovereignty.

Procreation surely, that's why they have to doff their kit.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 28 Aug 19 9.23pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

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Sometimes you need the perspective of somebody with a bit of distance on the issue.

Question is will JC take the bait? Can he actually decline? Interesting to see that amongst all the outrage from the usual suspects there is that not much noise about calling a vote of no confidence. Maybe that will change in the next 48 hours especially if the chatter about Johnson having one or two more surprises to spring are true.

 


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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 28 Aug 19 9.36pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Worried? For myself and my own future, not at all.

For my wife's, my children, grandchildren, great grandchild, my country and it's proud democracy yes I am. As everyone ought to be.

However, not actually really worried as I believe that our system, which has long stood the test of time, will overcome this and triumph in the end.

The more accurate word is disgusted at the opportunist tactics being employed in the interests of a very small elite hiding themselves under a populist cloak. This stinks of Trump.

Wow. After all the stunts your side have pulled over the three years, you have some f***ing brass neck.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 Aug 19 9.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Ah, because 6% of businesses export to the EU?

And if I said that 6% actually employs 53.7% of all employees in the UK, would you be able to disprove that?

If I then went on to say that many of the microbusinesses and SMEs are suppliers to exporters and will be indirectly strongly affected would you like to argue that one?

I think we have already established you have never studied Logic.

I've written in it, which is more than your sorry arse has done.

Once again, I've answered this.....larger companies will adjust to whatever the new dynamics are.

This country will continue to do well economically after an adjustment period....regardless of the EU position. If we have 'no deal'.....which I doubt....it will ultimately be a more competitive trading environment for them.

That partly explains your hatred for the US on these boards because you hate it that the UK will continue to be a coveted market regardless of the spectre of the EU.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Aug 19 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20



B honestly, if it is much ado about nothing then there would need to do it, would there?

'If it's neither here nor there, then where is it?'

(Tommy Cooper).

Leaving aside Brexit for a moment there is nothing to discuss in Parliament. We have a new PM and he has new legislation he wants to pass he cannot introduce that to Parliament until the Queen's speech. So what are MPs going to be talking about before then?

OK back to Brexit until the EU offer Johnson concessions again there is nothing to discuss. Every option has already been rejected by Parliament. If a deal is on the cards the most likely time will be mid October by which time Parliament will be back and can debate and vote. If no deal then the same applies.

Of course Johnson has picked the timetable that is most favourable to him that's the perks of being the government.

If some how the opposition stop prorogation I hope that the media keeps watch on the HOC and counts how many days during September and October the chamber is nearly empty? There shouldn't be any because the opposition are so desperate to keep Parliament going and debating and voting, yeah right.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 19 9.47pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Ha Ha the last whimpers of a desperate beaten man. Three years Parliament have had to sort this out, It's of their own making f*** EM.....

Me being "beaten" is of no consequence. It happens about 25% of the time on the bowling green. Democracy won't be beaten. 3 years is but a blink of an eye for our democracy.

 

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Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Wow. After all the stunts your side have pulled over the three years, you have some f***ing brass neck.

What "stunts"?

I see none at all.

I see plenty of attempts to rightly assert Parliamentary supremacy.

 

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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 28 Aug 19 9.51pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by davidpercival

You seem to have delusions of grandeur. Who appointed you the spokesperson for "the majority".

Anyone applauding Johnson's actions in closing down parliamentary debate need to answer the question if they would feel the same if Corbyn was PM and he wanted to force through a policy as controversial as this one.

When the referendum was held nobody was voting on leaving the EU without an agreement. Quite the opposite in fact. We were told a deal would be easy to achieve and we could have the Norway option if we wanted. The only question was in principle whether we wanted to stay or go and Johnson and Farage are re-writing history about what they said at the time.

Let's see shall we.

Under your hypothetical "question", you are missing the small nugget that Corbyn would already have an ACT OF PARLIAMENT that encodes this very policy, in law, in black and white, with Royal Assent granted. Corbyn would have in fact won the vote 494-122 to put this on the statute books.

Now, to come back to your question. If the MPs felt so strongly about this "controversial policy", perhaps they shouldn't have voted in full knowledge that this is a permitted, viable and legal outcome of that act. It would sound to me then, that MPs "didn't know what they were voting for" (oh, the irony) when the bill was presented for:

- a first reading
- the second reading (and all debates therein)
- committee stage (and all amendment debates therein)
- report stage
- and third reading (again, with all the extensive debates)
(in addition to any ping-pong to the upper house).

If that were the case, in your hypothetical question, then I would have little sympathy with myself, or those MPs moaning that it is "THE END OF DEMOCRASSY!!z! ZOMG!!" when the HOC overwhelmingly voted for the bill to become law.

But then, I imagine I have a somewhat skewed take on the whole democracy thing, being a thick, racist "Brexs***ter".


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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 28 Aug 19 9.59pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What "stunts"?

I see none at all.

I see plenty of attempts to rightly assert Parliamentary supremacy.

...and this is exactly why I stopped posting on this thread. What's the point in engaging when you come up against this level of denial.

 

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View gerry theagle's Profile gerry theagle Flag newbury 28 Aug 19 10.00pm Send a Private Message to gerry theagle Add gerry theagle as a friend

I hate dictators and Bojo is doing his utmost to become one.

 

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Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Let's see shall we.

Under your hypothetical "question", you are missing the small nugget that Corbyn would already have an ACT OF PARLIAMENT that encodes this very policy, in law, in black and white, with Royal Assent granted. Corbyn would have in fact won the vote 494-122 to put this on the statute books.

Now, to come back to your question. If the MPs felt so strongly about this "controversial policy", perhaps they shouldn't have voted in full knowledge that this is a permitted, viable and legal outcome of that act. It would sound to me then, that MPs "didn't know what they were voting for" (oh, the irony) when the bill was presented for:

- a first reading
- the second reading (and all debates therein)
- committee stage (and all amendment debates therein)
- report stage
- and third reading (again, with all the extensive debates)
(in addition to any ping-pong to the upper house).

If that were the case, in your hypothetical question, then I would have little sympathy with myself, or those MPs moaning that it is "THE END OF DEMOCRASSY!!z! ZOMG!!" when the HOC overwhelmingly voted for the bill to become law.

But then, I imagine I have a somewhat skewed take on the whole democracy thing, being a thick, racist "Brexs***ter".


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Parliament passes laws. It also has the ability to amend or withdraw laws.

Parliament is sovereign. Prime Ministers are not.


 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 Aug 19 10.15pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by gerry theagle

I hate dictators and Bojo is doing his utmost to become one.

Well, we had treaty after treaty signed by Prime Ministers on EU unions which never had majority support from the wider public as when we had an actual vote....which had been denied for forty years....The establishment signing these treaties lost.

And since the same establishment has been fighting that vote to leave ever since.

Yet Johnson is the dictator?.....He's ensuring we leave with the only method the gravy train parliament left him with.

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