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 since1953  Maidenhead 03 Sep 19 12.41pm |
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I just wonder what's on Corbyn's mind. The latest polls show Labour at about 25% .At this rate they may not even end up being the main opposition party. Unlikely, but things are a bit crazy at the moment.
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| Maine Eagle USA 03 Sep 19 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Just be honest. You want to see Article 50 revoked and you want to pretend that you still believe in democracy. You want a cloak of respectability for your dictatorial desire to see the result of 2016 ignored. Have the courage to just be honest about that. Be up-front. I actually have a modicum of respect for people who just want the Leave vote ignored. Those who still proclaim it was just advisory and that there is nothing wrong with just dismissing it as irrelevant. We know where we stand with those people. There is a principle of a sort in that position. But lets cut the virtue signalling. Lets lose this notion that somehow you want to help us poor Leavers truly understand what we actually voted for on June 23rd. You don't think my vote should count as much as a Remainers. Own that. Be frank with us about that viewpoint. You will feel, in the long term, much better about yourself if you do.
I explained, very very clearly why I believe remain should be an option. It was my theory on Brexit knowledge being at about 10% in 2016 when the first vote happened. Do you deny, that you know a lot more about the reality and impact of Brexit now, than you did in 2016? Do you therefore accept, some people might have changed their view? I dont want to leave the EU as its a load of bollocks sold to a bunch of suckers who lapped it up like chocolate milk. However I dont want to negate the result of 2016, and I am just pointing out the democracy involves regularly taking the temperature of the populous to see what they want to do, not just at a single point in time. Do you deny that possible hundreds of thousands of people, or millions, might feel differently now than they did 3 years ago?
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johnno42000  03 Sep 19 12.51pm |
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I have raised this before but is there a red line for ex-Conservative and ex-Labour voters who now vote for the Brexit party? There must be other policies that the party will raise in it's manifesto and I wonder if any of them will turn off people from voting for them?
'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more' |
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 03 Sep 19 12.55pm |
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This is actually starting to get interesting now. What would happen if we do have to go back to the polls and we get a hung parliament? Infinite purgatory? Horrendous
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Those who wish to will face their electorates and by showing themselves as people with principles and honour are very likely to either succeed again, or split the Tory vote. Or get their backsides kicked by the electorate.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 03 Sep 19 1.12pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
This is actually starting to get interesting now. What would happen if we do have to go back to the polls and we get a hung parliament? Infinite purgatory? Horrendous In that case I will be looking to rent a space beneath Parliament I have a few things I need to store there until the state opening. But you are correct another hung Parliament is the nightmare scenario.
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I explained, very very clearly why I believe remain should be an option. It was my theory on Brexit knowledge being at about 10% in 2016 when the first vote happened. Do you deny, that you know a lot more about the reality and impact of Brexit now, than you did in 2016? Do you therefore accept, some people might have changed their view? I dont want to leave the EU as its a load of bollocks sold to a bunch of suckers who lapped it up like chocolate milk. However I dont want to negate the result of 2016, and I am just pointing out the democracy involves regularly taking the temperature of the populous to see what they want to do, not just at a single point in time. Do you deny that possible hundreds of thousands of people, or millions, might feel differently now than they did 3 years ago? To me, you miss the main point. The people that voted in the second referendum are not the same people that would vote in a third. There are 2 million young people to add in - largely likely to vote Remain - and 1.5m to take out - largely likely to have voted Leave. A total of 82% of 18 to 24-year-olds with a voting preference say they would vote Remain in a third referendum. In contrast, two-thirds of those aged 65 and over would back Leave, while only one-third would favour Remain. As a reminder, most people over 65 are now retired. We are being sleep walked into a decision that is no longer valid. If ever it was the will of the people (many people used it as a protest vote for a variety of reasons) it almost certainly isn't now. Edited by Mapletree (03 Sep 2019 1.22pm)
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jeeagles  03 Sep 19 1.22pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I explained, very very clearly why I believe remain should be an option. It was my theory on Brexit knowledge being at about 10% in 2016 when the first vote happened. Do you deny, that you know a lot more about the reality and impact of Brexit now, than you did in 2016? Do you therefore accept, some people might have changed their view? I dont want to leave the EU as its a load of bollocks sold to a bunch of suckers who lapped it up like chocolate milk. However I dont want to negate the result of 2016, and I am just pointing out the democracy involves regularly taking the temperature of the populous to see what they want to do, not just at a single point in time. Do you deny that possible hundreds of thousands of people, or millions, might feel differently now than they did 3 years ago? All these arguments were around prior to the vote and discussed at length, then the country, rightly or wrongly, chose to leave. Remainers going repeating the same old arguments need to move on and come up with reasons why we should join the EU.
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| Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
To me, you miss the main point. The people that voted in the second referendum are not the same people that would vote in a third. There are 2 million young people to add in - largely likely to vote Remain - and 1.5m to take out - largely likely to have voted Leave. A total of 82% of 18 to 24-year-olds with a voting preference say they would vote Remain in a third referendum. In contrast, two-thirds of those aged 65 and over would back Leave, while only one-third would favour Remain. As a reminder, most people over 65 are now retired. We are being sleep walked into a decision that is no longer valid. If ever it was the will of the people (many people used it as a protest vote for a variety of reasons) it almost certainly isn't now. Edited by Mapletree (03 Sep 2019 1.22pm) AH ! I now see the plan.
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| W12 03 Sep 19 1.26pm | |
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Last week the government were fully in charge and there was no way Brexit could be stopped (whether leaving via a Boris deal for no deal). This week MP's vote to extend Brexit yet again and allow the EU to take control of this and now we may be faced with another election with everything up in the air. They are making it up as they go along. There is no due process that makes any sense that I can see.
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| Matov 03 Sep 19 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
It was my theory on Brexit knowledge being at about 10% in 2016 when the first vote happened. Did we have to sit a test before we voted? How on earth do you think you know what we all knew or did not? Your stance is perhaps the most arrogant I have ever come across. Or are you psychic? A crystal ball? Tarot cards? Reading the tea leaves? Democracy does not involve, in any way, shape or form, those who lose deciding on behalf of those whose votes were in the majority that they did not know what they were voting for and that because of that, you get a chance to vote again for your prefered option. And us Leavers are meant to be the deluded ones? LOL. As a genuine question, why would a second referendum with Remain as an option be considered the definitive one? Why should I, who voted in utter good faith on June 23rd 2016, think that this time it really really really does count? Will you promise not to have your fingers crossed this time? Will you really really really accept the result this time even if you don't like the outcome?
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| elgrande bedford 03 Sep 19 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
AH ! I now see the plan.
Indeed willow. t*** face Heseltine said exactly that on the wireless this am.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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