By the way, thanks for linking to an unbiased website that includes contributions from the likes of Mike Stuchbery.

I'm sure it's all 100% reliable with no lies at all.

The primary benefit is simply not being in the EU. Period. It is a failing organisation. The Euro is an absolute disaster that has bought more misery and destitution to the Continent than anything else ever inflicted on it during peacetime. Huge debts, massive unemployment (especially amongst the young) and generally an organisation that offers the last refuge for a political class increasingly out of touch with the realities of the modern world especially in light of increasing globalisation.

Oddly enough I think that a truly federal EU might actually offer something. That there is a case to be made for it but I want it out in the open. In plain sight.

As it is though, all it is at the moment is this soft-focus virtue signalling comfort blanket for soc.libs. I know that clip from QT where the Remainer asks where the people in Pret who make her coffee will come from is a little overdone now but ultimately that is what concerns Remainers. They like having their gardens tended to by Romanians, whilst Poles make their coffee and Albanians, who they are more than happy to turn a blind eye to even being in the country, wash their cars. Makes them feel special. Far more grateful than their own fellow countrymen who are unpleasant and crass.

Our class struggle, writ large with a 21st century spin. That is Brexit now. And always was.

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What don't you understand about Politicians having a duty to react to events if, in their judgement, they are sufficiently important to have to change a previously stated position.

The 48% who "lost" are not the only ones whose interests matter, alongside the 52% who "won". (Many on both sides not all sharing exactly the same level of commitment to the causes. It was a very simple question that was asked.) There are those who decided not to vote but even more importantly there are the millions of under 18 year olds who couldn't vote but whose lives will be more impacted than any of us. MPs have to take all of these things into consideration.

The truth is that, having made their promises, and despite many of them disagreeing with the decision, they have striven to find a way to leave that doesn't harm the UK more than is necessary. So far it hasn't been possible to find enough support for the negotiated arrangement to get Parliamentary approval. No-one lied. They just did their job. It's all very unfortunate but the whole country is split almost down the middle over this. Parliament clearly has a majority against leaving without a proper agreement in place, and some now argue that so much time has elapsed that we ought to check again what the people as a whole now think before making any steps that we might later regret. I disagree with them as I think Parliament alone should make these decisions.

explain to me what is the point in voting for any MP?

I am one of them as if we leave the EU I will have to buy an International Driving Licence and that will cost me £5.50