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 the silurian  The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond! "Mayhem". "Serious disorder". Isn't that a little bit just semantics when neither is desirable? I don't think Brexit will be cancelled at all! I think it is very likely to be delayed again, followed by a GE which could throw up several results. Johnson could win, in which case he would either try again for a deal or go straight out. We won't get a LibDem government so a straight Remain result won't happen. An overall Labour victory looks very unlikely too. So the most likely alternative to a Tory victory would be a hung parliament which could see a variety of possibilities the most likely of which seems to me to be some kind of temporary Parliament of national unity, and a referendum with 3 options on the ballot and a single transferable vote. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain. I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened. You are being deliberately obtuse, I just said I think there will be disorder or mayhem,didnt say I wanted it.....glad you are so sure Lib Dums wont win an election, but I wouldnt trust Corbyn to take us out, In fact if he and his commie mates get in the EU will probably chuck us out!!
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| Matov 16 Sep 19 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
.. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain.
Why do you think that having a Remain option again achieves anything? It does not. It means a lot of people do not bother voting. It cements the narrative that our political class do not listen to what it is being told. I genuinely struggle to get my head around what you think it achieves? OK so we have the farce of this 'peoples vote'. And A50 is rescinded. Nobody on the Leave side takes it in anyway seriously. The more extreme voices gain a credibility that they lack at the moment. The divisions become absolutes. Because we rejoin, the EU carrys on as it is with its ambitions now swollen. The UK can, quite rightly, be painted now as a subdued member. Held up as an example to anybody else who dares try to challenge the status quo. Vote to Leave and you are ignored anyway. It plants the seeds of mayhem and chaos that you cannot even begin to envisage. And it is why I struggle so much with the Remainer mindset. You all like to portray yourselves as the brighter ones. That somehow your opinions are more worthy than all the others and yet you want to procede with the utter insanity of making people vote again on something like this. As a Leaver in 2016 and even more firmly of the opinion that it is the right thing to do now why should I take part in such a vote and then accept the result like a good little boy? What democratic legitimacy would a Remain result have? Why should this second vote be the definite one? I appreciate that it is somewhat of an over-done narrative but it is absolutely valid. Why not a third vote? Or a fourth? Or a fifth? There was a vote. And Remain lost. And yes, ultimately that is what democracy boils down to. People have a choice, they cast their votes and the one with the most wins.
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 Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
You are being deliberately obtuse, I just said I think there will be disorder or mayhem,didnt say I wanted it.....glad you are so sure Lib Dums wont win an election, but I wouldnt trust Corbyn to take us out, In fact if he and his commie mates get in the EU will probably chuck us out!!
I don't trust Corbyn either but I think his days are numbered. Labour know that they are going no-where with him and his cabal in the primary seats. The bold bit was not knowing me personally didn't stop you expressing an opinion about me, which is what you tried to criticise me for.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't trust Corbyn either but I think his days are numbered. Labour know that they are going no-where with him and his cabal in the primary seats. The bold bit was not knowing me personally didn't stop you expressing an opinion about me, which is what you tried to criticise me for. Oh I reckon a lot on here have an opinion about you my friend, but as you seem to think you are in some way superior to all of us I guess that makes us equal!!
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Sep 19 4.36pm |
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The 'incredible hulk' flops again. Ridiculed by the Luxembourg PM, unable to face a press conference so they just went on anyway without him. Another day in brexit banana-land. Brought to you by the Conservative party.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Sep 19 4.39pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The 'incredible hulk' flops again. Ridiculed by the Luxembourg PM, unable to face a press conference so they just went on anyway without him. Another day in brexit banana-land. Brought to you by the Conservative party. You were Faraged and then you were Johnsoned and now you sound like a bitter and faded 'metoo' hollywood actress looking for attention.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 4.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond! I don't think Brexit will be cancelled at all! I think it is very likely to be delayed again, followed by a GE which could throw up several results. Johnson could win, in which case he would either try again for a deal or go straight out. We won't get a LibDem government so a straight Remain result won't happen. An overall Labour victory looks very unlikely too. So the most likely alternative to a Tory victory would be a hung parliament which could see a variety of possibilities the most likely of which seems to me to be some kind of temporary Parliament of national unity, and a referendum with 3 options on the ballot and a single transferable vote. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain. I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened. Makes no sense. What did I say about you as I cant remember or find the post.... PS The voting paper (and your darling Cameron) said LEAVE or REMAIN
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 4.42pm |
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Originally posted by susmik
I am afraid that Wisbech Eagle always posts shyte and you wont stop him I am afraid. I have given up trying to debate with him as he will always twist things around to suit his point of view. Its rather like the arguments that used to be on here with Willo over his absurd defence of Clattenburg and other referees, at least Willo (and Clattenberg) eventually gave up.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Sep 19 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You were Faraged and then you were Johnsoned and now you sound like a bitter and faded 'metoo' hollywood actress looking for attention. I will not be Faraged as he does not have one parliamentary seat. Until he does he is what he has always been, a nobody.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Sep 19 5.02pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I will not be Faraged as he does not have one parliamentary seat. Until he does he is what he has always been, a nobody. Stop crying darling....shall I ring you a cab home?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Oh I reckon a lot on here have an opinion about you my friend, but as you seem to think you are in some way superior to all of us I guess that makes us equal!! That many hold an opinion is fairly obvious but not really the point is it? I don't believe myself superior to anyone actually. There's plenty of people much more able than me. I am though able to see bias and prejudices for what they are and value our democratic system of government rather more than many do here. Why this forum attracts and tolerates such a group is actually worthy of analysis. It isn't a normal cross section of UK opinion.
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| DanH SW2 16 Sep 19 5.26pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The 'incredible hulk' flops again. Ridiculed by the Luxembourg PM, unable to face a press conference so they just went on anyway without him. Another day in brexit banana-land. Brought to you by the Conservative party. Imagine if you had recently run an ad campaign calling Corbyn a chicken too.
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