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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Sep 19 10.22pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I haven’t seen if this has been answered yet but it’s because the choice is either HOL or the bbs where if they could clone a politician, Jeremy Corbyn wouldn’t be Marxist enough. Although they moderate the bbs quite like how the Labour Party is bullies these days. Or it’s been like a chatroom for Momentum years before Corbyn and momentum.

It’s funny because it would be great if some of Corbyn’s ideals could be delivered, if he left the the politics of envy and dislike of business at home, but you just know it would go wrong. He couldn’t say no to anything and we’d be screwed pretty quickly. The argument could be that his is a minimum 3 term parliament vision, just like Brexit actually the left don’t want that longer term aim either, which is a big issue in the U.K. Advantages? Yes please. Any disadvantages at all. No fvcking thanks.

I haven't looked at the BBS in years as I didn't like the format so have no way of knowing but you may well be right. I wouldn't want a left wing biased debate any more than this right wing dominated one. I prefer one where views can be exchanged in a more balanced way.

 


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jeeagles Flag 18 Sep 19 10.40pm

Originally posted by chris123

And the more pro leave you are, the more right wing you are - or so it seems.

That doesn't explain the unions point of view. I've got a load of socialist friends who voted leave to protect workers rights.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 18 Sep 19 10.42pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not at all. I just think that you don't understand parliamentary democracy and how it works. Maybe one day you will come to understand why I feel so strongly that referendums are such a bad idea. The last 3 years are pretty conclusive evidence.

Help me out then.

As I understand it national referendums are rarely used in British politics but when they are, they have to be instigated by Parliament deciding to effectively hand over a specific decision with the wording having to be part of the legislation.

And with regards to the June 23rd referendum, the majority of MP's in favour was overwhelming. Not a close-run thing.

So we have a simple question. Leave or Remain. Along with a pledge from the Government of the time that the vote will be honoured as well as numerous senior politicians from the range of all strands of political thought mirroring that. And absolutely nothing about Leave requiring a deal with the EU.

The vote is held and then counted. 52% of people vote for the UK to leave.

On the basis of that, Parliament, once again by a huge majority, agree to start the process for leaving.

Then we have a general election. And about 80% of votes cast are done so for two political parties both promising to honour the result on June 23rd.

You keep on saying that circumstances are not the same anymore but what has actually fundamentally changed?

Now whether you feel referendums are right or wrong is an irrelevance. Parliament decided to hold the one on June 23rd and subsequently started the process by which that result would be implemented. And an election fought on the basis, by the two main parties, that they would honour that.

Surely if one of those parties wishes to no longer do that then the correct course of action is to hold another general election as opposed to another referendum which you claim to loathe so much?

And if another is held, surely it would have zero credibility given that the result of the first one, in contrast to every other national referendum before that, failed to be implemented? How could you honestly convince people that this time around it would be different? Or am I missing something glaring here? Is my logic wrong?


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W12 18 Sep 19 11.51pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


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A move to Switzerland seems out of the question then.

We wouldn’t be in this f***ing state if we did the same. Nobody would have voted for Maastricht or Lisbon or any other EU s*** that got sneaked passed us. Also, who would have voted for mass immigration apart from idiots?

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Sep 19 2.07am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Tick Tock.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Sep 19 6.21am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Must have missed your reply to this, ME. Feel free to correct me as and when.

[Link] Link for you as you're obviously too lazy to research it yourself

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 19 Sep 19 6.44am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

[Link] Link for you as you're obviously too lazy to research it yourself

You really are making a tit of yourself here.

You realise that just because he’s not involved in the day to day running doesn’t stop him being an active member and taking a profit share right?

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Sep 19 7.22am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

You really are making a tit of yourself here.

You realise that just because he’s not involved in the day to day running doesn’t stop him being an active member and taking a profit share right?

You are happy to accuse others of making a tit of themselves so why not go back and read what I was responding to instead of making a tit of yourself

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 19 Sep 19 7.33am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You are happy to accuse others of making a tit of themselves so why not go back and read what I was responding to instead of making a tit of yourself

Reading what you were responding to is exactly why I responded to you in the first place. Even the article you posted yourself backs up my point.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Sep 19 7.57am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Reading what you were responding to is exactly why I responded to you in the first place. Even the article you posted yourself backs up my point.

What part did you have difficulty in understanding? Was it "He will remain a partner but will no longer be involved in the management of the company. His stake of between 15 and 20% will be placed into a blind trust while he is a minister."

For the sake of the hard of understanding Jacob Rees-Mogg has exactly the same relationship with the operation of the hedgefund as George Soros does with his trust


 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 19 Sep 19 8.06am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

What part did you have difficulty in understanding? Was it "He will remain a partner but will no longer be involved in the management of the company. His stake of between 15 and 20% will be placed into a blind trust while he is a minister."

For the sake of the hard of understanding Jacob Rees-Mogg has exactly the same relationship with the operation of the hedgefund as George Soros does with his trust


1) Do you acknowledge that, whether his stake is in blind trust or not, he remains an active LLP member of that business?

2) That even by being in blind trust, with a sizeable stake and intimate knowledge of how the business is run, that he knows that he can still directly influence markets with political decisions?

 

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View susmik's Profile susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 Sep 19 8.19am Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are at it again aren't you? Insults are no substitute for debate nor lies for the truth. Just because you have read something on Facebook or in the Daily Mail or Sun doesn't mean it's true.

I gave you the real facts. They are all on the public record so go check them out if you refuse to believe me. Gina Miller was one of several founders of "Best for Britain" who did receive some funding from one of the Soros foundations but she left them in 2017 as they were becoming, in her opinion, too political. She has not, so far as anyone knows, received any funding either directly from him, or via his foundation, for the court cases. These have been crowdfunded.

I actually agree that it ought not be down to an individual citizen to have to raise such an important matter in Court or to have to fund it themselves in some way. This ought to be the responsibility of us all and paid for through taxation.

That is what I said so why you go into a long drawn out answer I just do not know.....as I have said before you are a know it all and a trouble making person. We just cannot debate with you as others have said. You are pathetic!!!!

 


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