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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 05 Oct 19 10.37pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Here we go again zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Once again you 'stalk' me for relaying important information to others. Information that MAY BLOODY WELL HELP THEM understand what is really going on in the financial world. The world that continually robs them!
Since when has helping others been a bad thing?
What do you have to offer.....fk'all. Did your little 'Thomas Cook'- discuss' post ever help anyone here? I nicknamed you 'Hang-up' for a reason.

I try to help people. You're just an unhelpful prick.

LOLE

Button well and truly pressed.

Cut the condescending Samaritan narrative. You do realise people other than you know a bit about what is going on in the world?

I’m also helping people understand that just listening to one side of the story all the time actually is unhelpful. Especially when some of that help is complete garbage dressed up as qualified opinion. Would I trust someone who professed to be a financial advisor because their main source of knowledge was google? No. I’d report them.

Stalking is not possible on a public forum. Replying to drivel is.

The world will always rob you. It really doesn’t matter what system is in place. It’s human nature.

Plenty of my posts have been completely useless, I’m sure some would say all. Same goes for everyone on this forum. The difference is I know when I’m being unhelpful.

Insults and lack of credible counter argument are always a red flag.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Oct 19 10.41pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

People who disagree are morons, how often do we hear this from remainers?

It starts as a European Defense Union and grows...

Ursula von der Leyen says A united EU military is becoming a reality. [Link]

In the piece she mentions the step by step progress. "Let's not forget... the internal EU market or freedom of movement, didn't happen overnight. They came about thanks to careful, measured progress, and member states pursuing clear goals, one step after another."

France's Macron pushes for 'true European army' [Link]

"We must have a Europe that can defend itself on its own without relying only on the United States."

But I guess this is just "propaganda" from the EU and they don't really mean it.

Edited by Penge Eagle (05 Oct 2019 9.21pm)

Just because individual politicians express aspirations caused by uncertainties over the USA's continuing commitment to NATO and the very real concerns over Russian intentions doesn't mean anything at all other than the need for greater co-operation has been identified.

You need to look beyond the headlines and at the actual facts. No EU country is is favour of giving up sovereign control of it's armed forces. No country could be forced by the EU to do so as every one has it's own veto.

So it might well develop into an effective Defence Union but there is no chance of it ever growing into a EU army at any time in the foreseeable future.

This isn't propaganda from the EU! It is though propaganda from the ultra Brexiteers who were behind the leave campaign.

Are those who believe these claims morons? You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 05 Oct 19 10.46pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

People who disagree are morons, how often do we hear this from remainers?

It starts as a European Defense Union and grows...

Ursula von der Leyen says A united EU military is becoming a reality. [Link]

In the piece she mentions the step by step progress. "Let's not forget... the internal EU market or freedom of movement, didn't happen overnight. They came about thanks to careful, measured progress, and member states pursuing clear goals, one step after another."

France's Macron pushes for 'true European army' [Link]

"We must have a Europe that can defend itself on its own without relying only on the United States."

But I guess this is just "propaganda" from the EU and they don't really mean it.

Edited by Penge Eagle (05 Oct 2019 9.21pm)

If you read back, myself and Stirling covered this debate in a pretty amicable manner. All the facts are there.

I never said people who disagree are morons. I said most people are morons. I’m not taking sides here. Morons exist everywhere. Leavers, remainers, whatever. No clique is immune.

Also if you read my post I never said having an opinion about the long term aim being an EU Army was an issue, and undoubtably there are some comments that have been made that clearly are in support of it or a similar construct. But they are few and far between, in no way an immediate consensus and there are no structures in place that exist to facilitate such a thing in the near to medium term.

To repeat one of the facts from my earlier exchange - under current terms we have a veto regarding anything to do with our military involvement, institutions or otherwise, contrary to many people’s propaganda led understanding of the Lisbon treaty.

The counter argument here was the belief that at some stage that veto would be relinquished if we were to remain as a full member of the EU. That’s when it becomes subjective - I could never see that happening. Too much of a political hot potato.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 05 Oct 19 10.48pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Just because individual politicians express aspirations caused by uncertainties over the USA's continuing commitment to NATO and the very real concerns over Russian intentions doesn't mean anything at all other than the need for greater co-operation has been identified.

You need to look beyond the headlines and at the actual facts. No EU country is is favour of giving up sovereign control of it's armed forces. No country could be forced by the EU to do so as every one has it's own veto.

So it might well develop into an effective Defence Union but there is no chance of it ever growing into a EU army at any time in the foreseeable future.

This isn't propaganda from the EU! It is though propaganda from the ultra Brexiteers who were behind the leave campaign.

Are those who believe these claims morons? You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

A good follow up.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 05 Oct 19 10.49pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

And while you're busy composing your latest condescending reply, just remind yourself of who has posted information that is relevant to everyone here. Information that will help all (should they wish to listen).

And then there's you.........and Thomas Cook!

Edited by .TUX. (05 Oct 2019 9.49pm)

Zing

 


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.TUX. Flag 05 Oct 19 10.56pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

LOLE

Button well and truly pressed.

Cut the condescending Samaritan narrative. You do realise people other than you know a bit about what is going on in the world?

I’m also helping people understand that just listening to one side of the story all the time actually is unhelpful. Especially when some of that help is complete garbage dressed up as qualified opinion. Would I trust someone who professed to be a financial advisor because their main source of knowledge was google? No. I’d report them.

Stalking is not possible on a public forum. Replying to drivel is.

The world will always rob you. It really doesn’t matter what system is in place. It’s human nature.

Plenty of my posts have been completely useless, I’m sure some would say all. Same goes for everyone on this forum. The difference is I know when I’m being unhelpful.

Insults and lack of credible counter argument are always a red flag.

Stick to Thomas Cook.
Posting 3month old news was beyond helpful.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 05 Oct 19 11.04pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Stick to Thomas Cook.
Posting 3month old news was beyond helpful.

Nice to see you’ve mellowed.

To be fair, on TC you’re right. It was more like 12 month old news. Possibly older than that as the package holiday industry has been dying in a slow death for years.

And it certainly didn’t have anything to with Brexit. I just couldn’t be bothered to start a thread on it. Now that was useless.

 


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deleted user Flag 05 Oct 19 11.20pm

Opinium poll for Observer, Cons back to 15-pt lead:
Con 38% +2
Lab 23% -1
Lib Dem 15% -5
Brexit 12% +1
Green 4% +2
2,006 UK adults 3-4 Oct, change since last week

 

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.TUX. Flag 05 Oct 19 11.25pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Nice to see you’ve mellowed.

To be fair, on TC you’re right. It was more like 12 month old news. Possibly older than that as the package holiday industry has been dying in a slow death for years.

And it certainly didn’t have anything to with Brexit. I just couldn’t be bothered to start a thread on it. Now that was useless.

Older than that (but it doesn't matter).
Brexit is an irrelevance in the grand scheme, the current system is teetering.
Please stop picking fights with someone who is here to help.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 05 Oct 19 11.35pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Older than that (but it doesn't matter).
Brexit is an irrelevance in the grand scheme, the current system is teetering.
Please stop picking fights with someone who is here to help.

The current system has been ‘teetering’ for years.

Being here to help does not make you immune to scrutiny, sorry.

 


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.TUX. Flag 06 Oct 19 12.02am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

The current system has been ‘teetering’ for years.

Being here to help does not make you immune to scrutiny, sorry.

It died in '08.
Since then all we've had is trillions pumped in and lower and lower interest rates. Historically low.
We now have zero interest rates to prop up a continually failing bloody system which now needs more injections (cash) to continue the farce. The ECB is a fraud along with the continued US 'Repo-market' bail-out (yet more QE?).
The 08 crash, though once again caused by the ever present greedy bankers, started from the bottom up.
The next, as the Repo-Market bail-outs show, will start from the top down.
Big difference!

PS Scrutinize at will...........i don't see anyone else here highlighting the problems that truly matter.

Edited by .TUX. (06 Oct 2019 12.08am)

 


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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 06 Oct 19 12.15am Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Anyway I see Dominic Grieve has finally showed his true colours and voting beliefs.

 


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