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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 07 Oct 19 3.07pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Doesn't mean they are not pro-remain though does it. You cannot, with 100% certainty, say their findings were not politically motivated. If you can provide concrete evidence then please do

There are very few things you can say with 100% certaintity - if you go through life not accepting any conclusion unless it can be said with 100% certainty, you’re not going to reach many conclusions.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 07 Oct 19 4.37pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion which has been formed entirely on my comments here, which I suggest is not a particularly accurate way to determine character. I also form opinions on some of the others here, but I try to keep them to myself and concentrate on the posts, and not the poster.

Donald Trump has been accused of being a narcissist and we all have a huge amount of direct visual, oral as well as the written evidence, of his character to help us form our opinions. However, the professional psychologists in the USA refused to confirm it because they say that a clinical examination is needed before any such assessment is possible.

I will leave it to you to draw your own conclusions from those remarks as you seem to like to do that.

Trumpy appears to have spun himself into a pretty deep hole this time. Even his own party is starting to back away from the cot.

Boris is loving the Cummings playbook. In fairness it's the only thing he can do to remain credible. 'The EU has not explained in detail why it is rejecting the new plan'

1) Creates a Customs Border
2) Only partial regulatory alignment
3) Stormont veto (maj only needed in one community)
4) No legal guarantees
5) Technology isn’t in existence
6) Contrary to Dec’17 declaration
7) Far removed from backstop

Apart from that, all good. Should sail through...

Of course, that's not the intention. I would applaud his focus and tenacity but I know it's the only option he has on the table, so he has little choice.

 


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View palace_in_frogland's Profile palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 07 Oct 19 4.51pm Send a Private Message to palace_in_frogland Add palace_in_frogland as a friend

A peek inside Wisbech's home office...

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View Dannyh.V2's Profile Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 07 Oct 19 5.08pm Send a Private Message to Dannyh.V2 Add Dannyh.V2 as a friend

Corbyn "I want an election"
Boris " alright then lets do it "
Corbyn " errrmmmm nope you're alright"

Labour really have become almost a "Basil Fawltey" Party.

We will honour Brexit by making the s***tiest deal possible, then ask the public id they want to stay or leave the EU but under the s*** deal which to all intent and purposes is staying in Europe.

As Gary Nevil once said, that's like trying to chose which bouncer you want to punch the wife.

I don't like the Torys much either, but if the public voted to leave then leave we should, we shouldn't have to put up with the incredulous lying self obsessed s*** stains that are doing there uppermost to delay/block Brexit.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Oct 19 5.16pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

As opposed to that wonderful 'Remain' campaign and all that 'Project Fear' hogwash.

That's all been repeatedly covered. I was describing why some who voted remain feel as they do and not why those who voted leave feel as they do!

Apropos accepting Article 50, this is certainly not the case as far as the 'Lib Dems' are concerned nor the SNP.Labour have repeatedly waffled on about "Respecting the referendum" but will have voted against ANY deal that Mrs May brought to Parliament and will continue to be obstructive as they simply cannot stomach voting for a Conservative agreed deal with the EU.

It wasn't just them was it? The ERG and DUP opposed it, whilst some Labour MPs supported it. I have to wonder whether they would get behind it now if it were put back on the table, or whether party politics would overpower common sense and the national interest.

I think I have spouted enough on this matter on HOL. It has been consuming my life outside this cherished site much to the chagrin of my dear wife who has had enough of my pontificating on this subject,hence I have concentrated on the football debates.I shall now bow out gracefully!

I completely understand that. I tried to leave it alone too some months ago, then got sucked back in because of the attitudes on display here which very few were counteracting. We certainly need to put this behind us but what we mustn't do is allow our tiredness and despair to permit us to stop fighting for what we believe is right.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Oct 19 5.25pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

You are just going along with your narrative that these institutions are above bias. Also that parliament has impeccable motives. Frankly, just a repeat of the same ad nauseum. According to you it is all working out. Fair enough. I disagree and so do plenty of others.

Our Justice system has no bias, other than towards fairness under the law and the use of reasonable doubt. Having had direct experience of it several times in my life I have never been less than totally sure of that. It is the bedrock of our society and it is essential that everyone has complete trust in it. That some are now, for their own reasons, seeking to undermine that is shameful in my view.

Parliament consists of people with many biases. That's politics. What matters is their collective view and where the balance lies.

You can disagree all you like. That's what the Mail, Sun and Express want from you at the moment.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Trumpy appears to have spun himself into a pretty deep hole this time. Even his own party is starting to back away from the cot.

Boris is loving the Cummings playbook. In fairness it's the only thing he can do to remain credible. 'The EU has not explained in detail why it is rejecting the new plan'

1) Creates a Customs Border
2) Only partial regulatory alignment
3) Stormont veto (maj only needed in one community)
4) No legal guarantees
5) Technology isn’t in existence
6) Contrary to Dec’17 declaration
7) Far removed from backstop

Apart from that, all good. Should sail through...

Of course, that's not the intention. I would applaud his focus and tenacity but I know it's the only option he has on the table, so he has little choice.

Apparently this 'deal' could get majority support in the Commons.

Will be interesting to see them voting for civil war in Northern Ireland.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Oct 19 5.31pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Our Justice system has no bias, other than towards fairness under the law and the use of reasonable doubt. Having had direct experience of it several times in my life I have never been less than totally sure of that. It is the bedrock of our society and it is essential that everyone has complete trust in it. That some are now, for their own reasons, seeking to undermine that is shameful in my view.

Parliament consists of people with many biases. That's politics. What matters is their collective view and where the balance lies.

You can disagree all you like. That's what the Mail, Sun and Express want from you at the moment.

I don't need the Mail, the Sun or the Express to form an opinion. There is also plenty of academic work on the bias of the justice system. I am disagreeing with you and you simply taking the opposite opinion is making no difference. I could say that you are stating the opinion of the Guardian or of the 19th Century Times but why bother.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Oct 19 5.37pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Doesn't mean they are not pro-remain though does it. You cannot, with 100% certainty, say their findings were not politically motivated. If you can provide concrete evidence then please do

I am sure that, like everyone else, they have an opinion about Brexit. Whether they are pro-remain or pro-leave is unknown and unimportant. They are Judges. Following the law is their job and inserting their personal beliefs into it just doesn't happen.

Judges judge. I have never been in front of one, and I have a few times in my life as a plaintiff, who has ever given the merest hint of a personal opinion in their summary. Their loyalty and reasoning is 100% based on the law.

Do you think all the Supreme Court justices should have been asked whether they voted leave or remain and those who did the latter disbarred from hearing the case about Parliament being unlawfully prorogued?

That would really promote faith in our judicial system! Oh wait though! It was 11-0. So either it would have still been the same outcome or there wouldn't have been any justices left to serve, as they would ALL have voted remain! How likely is that!

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 07 Oct 19 5.48pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Trumpy appears to have spun himself into a pretty deep hole this time. Even his own party is starting to back away from the cot.

Boris is loving the Cummings playbook. In fairness it's the only thing he can do to remain credible. 'The EU has not explained in detail why it is rejecting the new plan'

1) Creates a Customs Border
2) Only partial regulatory alignment
3) Stormont veto (maj only needed in one community)
4) No legal guarantees
5) Technology isn’t in existence
6) Contrary to Dec’17 declaration
7) Far removed from backstop

Apart from that, all good. Should sail through...

Of course, that's not the intention. I would applaud his focus and tenacity but I know it's the only option he has on the table, so he has little choice.

Best to leave Trump in his own thread but I suspect he wants to be impeached, so he can carry the "witch-hunt" defence into the re-election campaign.

Cummings is using Trump like tactics. This is all about the GE in a month or two's time. Exactly how the next few weeks play out is as unclear to me as anybody else but it's obvious that the EU won't accept what's on the table as it fails to meet some of their non negotiable positions, which they have been crystal clear about. Johnson asking for "compromises" from them is just window dressing for his campaign strategy. You could write the banners on the posters now.

 


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Utterly shameless cash in.

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

It's not a conspiracy theory to research into the background of the judges and see pertinent reasons for political bias.
You are acting as if everything in this world is simply black and white. It isn't - I would have thought you might realise that sometimes there is more than meets the eye. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory. Two are current EU judges - by your own admission. When Brexit happens out of a job. Not much of a stretch. A new one is Scottish and was a supporter of independence. Are they likely to have a political bias?
Some are former EU judges - would they have anything to lose? Some are former Labour peers. As already stated, these are mainly the law lords with a different name. Hardly impartial. Only ten years ago half were party affiliated.

They adjudicate in the ECJ on rotation. Like senior jurists from the other 27. Doesnt make them remainers. It makes them senior judges with experience of EU law.

 

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