Uber cynical but probably correct.

Problem is for him is that he took over a Government that did not have a working majority for the over-whelming issue of the day.

Will he exploit the current situation for a GE? Well yes. That is what politicians do. But then again so they all do.

We not only have a Zombie Government but effectively a Parliament that is ripping up all the rules for the end of what?

The only reason they want Boris to go to Brussels with this surrender letter is because they want to damage him. The people pushing this bill are ardent R2's.

We need a GE. Should in fact be in the middle of GE campaign now.

Is Johnson as cynical as people claim? I am convinced. But he merely represents the tip of an enormous iceberg of our political and legal establishment.

A plague on all their houses.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Of course it is! No-body thinks otherwise.

That's not the issue.

It's why us leaving the EU would make any difference. Illegals are illegal now and would be after we leave.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (09 Oct 2019 11.24pm)

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So is ‘spreadsheet phil’ 100% wrong about us making less money from free trade deals?

‘The much anticipated free trade deals don't outweigh costs of barriers to trade with EU from Brexit’

‘Such deals would have “very limited” economic value, and certainly wouldn’t compensate for the loss of tariff-free, frictionless trade with the EU.’

Or is it all *insert immediate partisan emotive reaction here*

Some of it has to be true. It’s even from the Torygraph itself.

Not sure why I’m bothering as objectivity is not one of this threads strong points.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Where does your 'free trade deal' come from SW?

Reading this morning that Junckers said that a future trade deal is about as likely as the Canada one was.

Why do we make these assumptions?

Of course it is always safer to take people out of small boats but it's hardly the point is it? I cannot believe any mariner is ever going just to leave people in danger. It's not what they do.

The question is then what happens next and that is political.

Leaving the EU will likely make things worse. It won't change the physical fact that we are only 20 miles or so from France at the closest point. It will though mean that the French would have a reduced motivation to both restrict them leaving their shores or accepting their return.

Co-operation is the only sensible way but the French would hold all the cards. If we started to try to play hard ball then a few custom hold ups in Calais might change some minds. Pictures of the M20 as a lorry park, empty supermarket shelves and fast rising prices tend to do that. We need a deal!

Your description of what "leavers want" is typical of the unreality of the actual world we live in today held by so many people.

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