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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 14 Oct 19 6.01pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

IMO there will not be a deal done by the 31st Oct unless Johnson completely caves into EU demands (whatever they maybe). If he does that he will commit political hari kari and with it zero chance of winning a GE.
The EU do no want us to leave on anything other than a very bad deal as ‘punishment’ for daring to leave ‘the club’ or we stay in and the only way that can be done is delay until their friends in high places led by Bercow with Hammond, Grieve et al conniving behind try and work their magic with a 2nd referendum, hoping that the continuous Project Fear message will work to change the voting minds of many Leave voters. From the many people I have spoken who did vote Leave their stance has now hardened because of the persistent, planned and orchestrated blocking of Brexit.

There MUST not be a 2nd referendum or democracy will be dead and people will believe (and rightly so) that there vote means nothing.

Of course the plotters believe that they have scuppered our negotiating position which, of course strengthens further the EU’s position and further humiliating Boris’s position and with it the UK by the Benn bill forcing him to ask for a further extension.
This of course will be given leaving continuing uncertainty with businesses of all sizes left to potential decline.

As Mrs May repeatedly said that a No deal is better than a bad deal. Boris please find a way to circumvent the Benn deal and enabling you to negotiate in a way that is best for this Country and make us Great again - if we are being held over a barrel say bye bye and don’t be afraid.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 19 6.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I'm sure that you will have expressed your opinion a further 10,000 times on here by that time anyway

What's the problem? There have been many repetitive posters from the other side of the fence posting the same old nonsense about "remoaners" and "snowflakes" etc etc, without a shred of any understanding about how the others feel. All I do is redress the balance a little, pointing out a few basic facts about UK Parliamentary democracy on the way. If that makes a few people feel uncomfortable then that's a wholly healthy thing.

In 3 + years there have been around 27,000 posts so for me to reach 10,000 on my own by the time of the next GE would be quite an achievement. With your encouragement I will give it a go though.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

How can you see a better way then?
All guess work as I said.
No one knows if it will be better or worse.
Your adage is better the devil you know.

You never change do you?

It isn't guesswork at all. It's informed predictions which forecast a range of possibilities. As these all point in the same direction and suggest outcomes that vary from the bad to the disastrous it is only a fool who doesn't heed them.

Your adage is "it'll be all right on the night".

 

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Originally posted by dynamicdick

IMO there will not be a deal done by the 31st Oct unless Johnson completely caves into EU demands (whatever they maybe). If he does that he will commit political hari kari and with it zero chance of winning a GE.
The EU do no want us to leave on anything other than a very bad deal as ‘punishment’ for daring to leave ‘the club’ or we stay in and the only way that can be done is delay until their friends in high places led by Bercow with Hammond, Grieve et al conniving behind try and work their magic with a 2nd referendum, hoping that the continuous Project Fear message will work to change the voting minds of many Leave voters. From the many people I have spoken who did vote Leave their stance has now hardened because of the persistent, planned and orchestrated blocking of Brexit.

There MUST not be a 2nd referendum or democracy will be dead and people will believe (and rightly so) that there vote means nothing.

Of course the plotters believe that they have scuppered our negotiating position which, of course strengthens further the EU’s position and further humiliating Boris’s position and with it the UK by the Benn bill forcing him to ask for a further extension.
This of course will be given leaving continuing uncertainty with businesses of all sizes left to potential decline.

As Mrs May repeatedly said that a No deal is better than a bad deal. Boris please find a way to circumvent the Benn deal and enabling you to negotiate in a way that is best for this Country and make us Great again - if we are being held over a barrel say bye bye and don’t be afraid.

That is worthy of winning the Trump prize for "Conspiracy Theory of the Year".

It's the kind of mixing of half facts woven with misunderstandings that circulate all the time on the internet these days, especially on Trump supporting sites in the USA. I won't even bother to dissect it and try to point out where it's wrong. It's all wrong. Fortunately Parliament doesn't listen to this kind of thing!

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 14 Oct 19 6.45pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For GEs yes, at least for the time being, although I personally hope that will change.

That though is no reason at all why it cannot be used in these special circumstances if it could be shown to work.

So just like the Lib Dems, you'd like to overturn both of the UK-wide referendums held in modern times because the voters got it wrong.

Today Jo Swinson was sneering about the Queen's Speech, saying that it's a pointless excercise as "he" doesn't have a majority so he can't get any legislation through. Just the scenario that PR would always produce, in other words.

Edited by YT (14 Oct 2019 6.50pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is worthy of winning the Trump prize for "Conspiracy Theory of the Year".

It's the kind of mixing of half facts woven with misunderstandings that circulate all the time on the internet these days, especially on Trump supporting sites in the USA. I won't even bother to dissect it and try to point out where it's wrong. It's all wrong. Fortunately Parliament doesn't listen to this kind of thing!

Unfortunately though, they don't listen to anything much. Certainly not their own constituents. None of them even dare have an election. I wonder why that might be.
Your heroes in parliament look like fools to me. They won't ever back anything and will have to go. Luckily, I believe there is no choice in the matter on the 4 and a bit year mark. Unless their mates in the Supreme Court have changed that too.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Oct 19 7.15pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You never change do you?

It isn't guesswork at all. It's informed predictions which forecast a range of possibilities. As these all point in the same direction and suggest outcomes that vary from the bad to the disastrous it is only a fool who doesn't heed them.

Your adage is "it'll be all right on the night".

Do you see.
Predictions.
Is that not another word for 'guess'

 

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Hopefully with the end of free movement HRH will go back to Germany with her bunch of free-loaders in tow.

In the last 6 months the monarchy has descended into being a branch office of the tory party.

The Queens speech was an election broadcast by the conservative party.

She ought to check her facts Brexit can't be delivered as there is not enough time to pass the necessary legislation by October 31st.

Like her horses 'trained at Lewes'.

If only we had a young king or queen to inject some life into the monarchy.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Oct 19 7.19pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is worthy of winning the Trump prize for "Conspiracy Theory of the Year".

It's the kind of mixing of half facts woven with misunderstandings that circulate all the time on the internet these days, especially on Trump supporting sites in the USA. I won't even bother to dissect it and try to point out where it's wrong. It's all wrong. Fortunately Parliament doesn't listen to this kind of thing!

On the trump sites they read quotes and give tax changes to young socialists in schools.
To a man and woman they say how bad trump is etc etc.
Then they are told its Obama's words and tax changes.
Strange how they dont have a clue what to say.
Yup trump sites, the truth will set you free.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Oct 19 7.22pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Hopefully with the end of free movement HRH will go back to Germany with her bunch of free-loaders in tow.

In the last 6 months the monarchy has descended into being a branch office of the tory party.

The Queens speech was an election broadcast by the conservative party.

She ought to check her facts Brexit can't be delivered as there is not enough time to pass the necessary legislation by October 31st.

Like her horses 'trained at Lewes'.

If only we had a young king or queen to inject some life into the monarchy.

When queenie cops it we will have a younger monarch.
Let's see how they lean.
I've got a feeling it wont be towards Marxism.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Oct 19 8.21pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Voting against the party line didn’t do Corbyn’s career any harm considering he did so over 400 times.

 

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Originally posted by YT

So just like the Lib Dems, you'd like to overturn both of the UK-wide referendums held in modern times because the voters got it wrong.

I don't want to "overturn" anything. My hope is that at sometime our Parliament will change things because they see it is in our best interests. In the meantime I happen to think that a PR system might assist us in reconciling the current chaos. If it could do that why would anyone object?

Today Jo Swinson was sneering about the Queen's Speech, saying that it's a pointless excercise as "he" doesn't have a majority so he can't get any legislation through. Just the scenario that PR would always produce, in other words.

She is 100% correct. It is a very expensive and pointless exercise which will now waste Parliamentary time. The whole point was to divert attention and ask the Queen to deliver a party political broadcast in preparation for the next GE. I trust the voters, or at least those able to realise these things, don't forget this. PR would often produce the need to compromise and for parties to cooperate with each other. It would also avoid us getting governments comprised of either extreme. That has to be a good thing. /b]

Edited by YT (14 Oct 2019 6.50pm)

 

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