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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Oct 19 10.37am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You wouldn't. You would have to decide on character and what they have done for you locally. How they have behaved and what arguments they make for and against things. As I have said many times they are representatives and not delegates. Your own vote is secret. You decide that for yourself and no-one has any right to know it. The same should apply to an MP, who should be free of all pressures to use only their best judgement and conscience to decide what is the best course of action. But they are elected by people to serve their constituents. Not to do whatever they please in their ivory towers. The public who vote have a right to privacy but your argument is complete rubbish for MPs. They have to be under scrutiny. You are getting them mixed up with the best of the best - which they are not. As someone once said, they are not really that good.
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 Hrolf The Ganger  15 Oct 19 11.05am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course they aren't. They are refusing to allow one yet. Until the threat of a "no deal" Brexit has been removed. Calling one now and allowing Johnson to determine, or benefit from, the timing would be beyond stupid. It would be irresponsible. How often is it necessary to point out to you that however people originally voted the opposition is now to a "no deal" exit. Once that has been secured we can see how best we can go ahead.
You obviously support Labour despite your claims. You arrive here from nowhere and spend your every moment on this subject. Are you a Palace fan or an activist?
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| YT Oxford 15 Oct 19 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course but not by a minority government which is pressing for a GE. This was a blatant political manoeuvre which took advantage of the Queen. I bet she is "not pleased". So you admit that your original post was wrong then, do you?
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johnno42000  15 Oct 19 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You obviously support Labour despite your claims. You arrive here from nowhere and spend your every moment on this subject. Are you a Palace fan or an activist? Couldn't that be true for a lot of posters?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Oct 19 11.19am |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Couldn't that be true for a lot of posters? For example?
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| robdave2k 15 Oct 19 1.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Untrue. Many people were sceptical of the timing and suggesting that nothing was certain. Corbyn himself needed some convincing but that's because he isn't always a clear strategic thinker. If there is any similarity in what I said and what Corbyn did then it is either purely co-incidental or 100% true. I didn't copy him and I doubt if he reads the HOL. So you decide. Loosely translated as he has splinters in his arse due to the fence sitting and will fall on the side the wind is blowing at a particular moment. At least no one can accuse you of having splinters in your backside.
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| dannyboy1978 15 Oct 19 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What on earth are you talking about? Forecasts and opinions can be wrong, but that doesn't mean they are guesses. Nor does it mean that when politicians make campaign pledges that they are necessarily based on forecasts. Just as Johnson did yesterday they are much more often just wish lists offered as carrots to donkeys.
You know excactly what I'm talking about, and it prooved your point mute that's why you want on the defensive. Experts/ experience lol Edited by dannyboy1978 (15 Oct 2019 1.40pm)
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| Lyons550 Shirley 15 Oct 19 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I see. So it’s not refusing to allow an election when it’s in our best interest. Nothing to do with thinking they might not win. Its like having a conversation with a deaf uncle isnt it Edited by Lyons550 (15 Oct 2019 2.29pm)
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| Lyons550 Shirley 15 Oct 19 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Well said. The architects of a poor or no deal are actually the remainers within the government. If they had all got behind a deal from the start and allowed us to hardball the negotiations with Brussels this would all be done and dusted now and we would be well into a new era. I have to say I agree wholeheartedly with this
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Oct 19 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
I have to say I agree wholeheartedly with this So you want to blame a small amount of Tories who are now out of the picture and not Labour, Liberals and SNP with their Benn Act, court cases and continuous obstruction?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Oct 19 4.46pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
But they are elected by people to serve their constituents. Not to do whatever they please in their ivory towers. The public who vote have a right to privacy but your argument is complete rubbish for MPs. They have to be under scrutiny. You are getting them mixed up with the best of the best - which they are not. As someone once said, they are not really that good. They serve their constituents as their representatives and do that by using their best judgement to decide what is in their, and the country's best interests. They cannot do that when keeping one eye on whether their party managers will decide to dump them if they stray from the pen. Allowing them to vote in secret would ensure that their votes followed their true beliefs and not those that of an agenda determined at the centre who are then subjected to the influences of pressure and interest groups and not the people. I want to remove the influence of interest groups and free the MPs to decide for themselves. Only by it being a legal requirement that their votes are secret and never disclosed can that be achieved. I don't want the Unions dictating policy to a Labour government anymore than I want the CBI dictating it to a Tory government. Or Murdoch dictating it to either of them because of the influence he holds.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Oct 19 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by YT
So you admit that your original post was wrong then, do you? Not really. The point being made was about yesterday's "big occasion" formal Queen's speech being held for political gain. That each session features a less formal one is beside the real point, but if you want to nit pick carry on!
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