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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 16 Oct 19 6.55am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000

No, it was based on an accusation by you that could easily apply to any poster that posts a lot...like you.

I'm afraid that one individual posts more often in this thread than everyone else added together

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 16 Oct 19 7.51am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Bias BBC again. Add up the leave votes and leave wins!

BBC News - Have UK voters changed their minds on Brexit?
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It's literally the other way around for leave! The BBC are so corrupt
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Edited by dannyboy1978 (16 Oct 2019 3.07am)

LOL. I was reading the same thing and thinking similar. Still, that is the BBC for you.

I suspect we will get a Remainer melt-down from it should we actually be leaving on October 31st so expect more BS from it. And in some ways I feel rather sad about the BBC. Yes, it is as socially liberal as people believe it is and then some but its core ethos, the Rethian principles, are ones I believe have a true value for a public service broadcaster.

And whilst my libertarian views are at odds with the current funding model, I also believe it offers incredible value with obvious exceptions. But now it simply cannot shake off its partisan outlook and is all the weaker for it.

When this Brexit malarkey finally shakes itself out, and I am not holding my breath any time soon, I suspect the BBC may well find itself under a great deal of criticism for its coverage of the entire process. And with bloody good reason.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Oct 19 8.06am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Boris and his phoney deal!

Over the last few days it most be obvious to most people except the most committed Remainers that Boris is actually serious about getting a deal with the EU and that it is not just a tactic to leave without one.

Indeed I have now heard several Labour politicians grudgingly concede this point. If he was not serious I think the EU would be looking to pull the plug by now but by all accounts both sides are working heard to reach an accommodation.

Boris has told the party that if he has a deal anyone (he means the ERG) who doesn't vote for it will be expelled from the party. I don't think you can get more serious than that.

My problem with all this is what type of deal will it be and will he concede too much to the EU. Any deal that treats NI differently from the rest of the UK must have the approval of NI politicians, if they are happy then I am happy (not that my vote counts).

As for the Benn act the rumours are that Boris has included a clause that says the EU will not grant an extension beyond 31 Oct. If Parliament does not agree the deal this of course is no help to him however if the deal passes it stops the Remain politicians from tacking on delay tactics such as putting the deal to a 2nd referendum in short it's deal or no deal with deal meaning we leave at the end of the month.

And if the deal does not pass? Well your guess is as good as mine at this point but I don't think we can say this was all part of a master plan by Boris for a no deal, even Farage is moaning that Boris wants a deal and is giving too much away.

 


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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 16 Oct 19 8.41am Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

You really are coming across as a bit of a t***

Wow you could be captain of the school debate team with these skills. Kudos to you.

I think your Spidey sense is misfiring again.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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View susmik's Profile susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 16 Oct 19 8.54am Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So your original statement was based on nothing?

I see.

Wisbech is a blatant political activist. He is just being a little secretive about who for. His twisty turny arguments in favour of Remain are excruciating.

Reminds me of Nick the Gussett........

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 16 Oct 19 9.37am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Boris and his phoney deal!

Over the last few days it most be obvious to most people except the most committed Remainers that Boris is actually serious about getting a deal with the EU and that it is not just a tactic to leave without one.

Indeed I have now heard several Labour politicians grudgingly concede this point. If he was not serious I think the EU would be looking to pull the plug by now but by all accounts both sides are working heard to reach an accommodation.

Boris has told the party that if he has a deal anyone (he means the ERG) who doesn't vote for it will be expelled from the party. I don't think you can get more serious than that.

My problem with all this is what type of deal will it be and will he concede too much to the EU. Any deal that treats NI differently from the rest of the UK must have the approval of NI politicians, if they are happy then I am happy (not that my vote counts).

As for the Benn act the rumours are that Boris has included a clause that says the EU will not grant an extension beyond 31 Oct. If Parliament does not agree the deal this of course is no help to him however if the deal passes it stops the Remain politicians from tacking on delay tactics such as putting the deal to a 2nd referendum in short it's deal or no deal with deal meaning we leave at the end of the month.

And if the deal does not pass? Well your guess is as good as mine at this point but I don't think we can say this was all part of a master plan by Boris for a no deal, even Farage is moaning that Boris wants a deal and is giving too much away.

IMO I would think any deal would also include ongoing negotiations so we can get out fully in time.
I'm sure the eu would prefer we were not hanging on their coat tails forever and the same as our parliament.
They want there dough and we want out.
Deal it up then move forwards.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 Oct 19 10.03am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Excuse me for butting in!

I am not in the least secretive. It really ought to be obvious. I support the will of Parliament and not just one section of it, whatever their political flavour.

You would be hard put to find any recent comments from me supporting "remain", although that is what I voted for in 2016. I continue to believe that holding a referendum was a big mistake, that the campaign in favour of leaving was both bogus and compromised by outside interference, so that us deciding to leave was not just a bad decision but one that ought to have been declared invalid. Nevertheless, my approach is that I want Parliament to do it's job and decide how to handle this. That has been my consistent position. When I explain things they are simply explanations of particular positions and not me advocating them. Any advocating I do is directed at those who actually can change things and they aren't here. Not yet anyway. If another referendum is called, which I hope it won't but can see why it might, then my position would change and, after the options become available and clear, I might well advocate in favour of one of them. I would probably though be too busy knocking doors and delivering information to people actually likely to listen.

Who did you vote for in 2017? Come on your not secretive.

Only recent comments? So you have changed your mind then?

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 16 Oct 19 10.09am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Boris and his phoney deal!

Over the last few days it most be obvious to most people except the most committed Remainers that Boris is actually serious about getting a deal with the EU and that it is not just a tactic to leave without one.

Indeed I have now heard several Labour politicians grudgingly concede this point. If he was not serious I think the EU would be looking to pull the plug by now but by all accounts both sides are working heard to reach an accommodation.

Boris has told the party that if he has a deal anyone (he means the ERG) who doesn't vote for it will be expelled from the party. I don't think you can get more serious than that.

My problem with all this is what type of deal will it be and will he concede too much to the EU. Any deal that treats NI differently from the rest of the UK must have the approval of NI politicians, if they are happy then I am happy (not that my vote counts).

As for the Benn act the rumours are that Boris has included a clause that says the EU will not grant an extension beyond 31 Oct. If Parliament does not agree the deal this of course is no help to him however if the deal passes it stops the Remain politicians from tacking on delay tactics such as putting the deal to a 2nd referendum in short it's deal or no deal with deal meaning we leave at the end of the month.

And if the deal does not pass? Well your guess is as good as mine at this point but I don't think we can say this was all part of a master plan by Boris for a no deal, even Farage is moaning that Boris wants a deal and is giving too much away.

Yes BJ will do anything and is probably conceding all the previous red lies as we speak.

However he is not alone, the Commission seems to be falling over to 'get it done' as well, their professional mask slipping.

There is no time for the legislation so the leave date of 31st October cannot be done anyway.

Have foreboding of a complete cock-up here.

Maybe Macron will intervene ether for a very long extension or veto the deal altogether, you never know with the French.


 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Oct 19 10.16am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes BJ will do anything and is probably conceding all the previous red lies as we speak.

However he is not alone, the Commission seems to be falling over to 'get it done' as well, their professional mask slipping.

There is no time for the legislation so the leave date of 31st October cannot be done anyway.

Have foreboding of a complete cock-up here.

Maybe Macron will intervene ether for a very long extension or veto the deal altogether, you never know with the French.


Perhaps but Parliament seems to be able to pass laws in a day when it wants to. I don't think Macron will veto it on his own too much to lose anyway the devil is in the detail.

 


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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 16 Oct 19 10.25am Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I'm afraid that one individual posts more often in this thread than everyone else added together

Recently perhaps but other posters have posted far more since the thread started.

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

With this attitude of Parliament knowing best for everyone what’s the point of having an opinion or advocating anything? Why don’t you just accept whatever decision the come to seeing how they are apparently omnipotent?

I do. My remarks apply only when we choose who they are and if they then decided that they wanted to consult the people again.

They are no more omnipotent than any other group of mortals but they do hold the responsibility to examine these things in detail and come to joint conclusions. That's what we pay them to do.

 

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