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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Oct 19 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Willo can you please start commenting on referees again, so I can start to disagree with you again Darned referees - worse than MPs in the Commons!!!!
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 Oct 19 7.50pm |
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I hear Clattenburg is to be nominated as the new speaker! Well the present incumbent has made it an "all about me" position
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| steeleye20 Croydon 22 Oct 19 7.53pm |
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Johnson screws it up again. Now 10-2 defeats since he took office. A 'pause' as it will clearly not get through. If he had not prorogued parliament twice he would have had more time. The WAB second reading largely meaningless as parliament will not make a final choice until all the legislation is passed.
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| Matov 22 Oct 19 8.03pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I have been thinking about this peoples vote. Who voted on June 23rd? Monkeys? I get what you are saying but the reality is a second referendum with Remain as an option achieves nothing. The only thing that gets us over the finishing line now is a general election fought on specific Brexit issues. In 2017 both Labour and the Tories agreed to honour it. Labour now longer wish to do so. Let the people decide. But on a positive note after tonight, a majority in the House of Parliament voted for the withdrawal bill. I struggle now to see how there is any going back. Might take a bit longer but we will see one less star on that s***ty flag eventually.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 22 Oct 19 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Who voted on June 23rd? Monkeys? I get what you are saying but the reality is a second referendum with Remain as an option achieves nothing. The only thing that gets us over the finishing line now is a general election fought on specific Brexit issues. In 2017 both Labour and the Tories agreed to honour it. Labour now longer wish to do so. Let the people decide. But on a positive note after tonight, a majority in the House of Parliament voted for the withdrawal bill. I struggle now to see how there is any going back. Might take a bit longer but we will see one less star on that s***ty flag eventually. The last thing I want is anything approaching this order of magnitude ever going back to the public again. So a flat no for a people’s vote. Good that the WAB has passed. Feel pretty sure that we will now leave with a deal. It’s not great, but it means we leave and ultimately any outcome of this process was always going to be a compromise, everyone will have their bone to pick with it but it’s the best we’re going to get. I hope this goes through without the need for an election as I really can’t be bothered to have an entire campaign fought over Brexit. The next two years + negotiating the trade agreements is going to be bad enough. At least we will be able to get some domestic policy on the agenda, hopefully very soon. Re. monkeys - no. Morons, yes. In their droves. And no, I don’t just mean leavers. I mean everyone. Edited by SW19 CPFC (22 Oct 2019 8.27pm)
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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| Midlands Eagle 22 Oct 19 8.26pm |
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Parliament claims that they need enough time to debate all of the issues properly yet when I watched an hour of this afternoon's proceedings there couldn't have been more than 100 MPs in the Commons and most of them were either fiddling with their phones or chatting to each other with probably only half a dozen listening to what the speakers were actually saying
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| Midlands Eagle 22 Oct 19 8.28pm |
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Don't you mean that Corbyn ignores the will of the people yet again
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 Hrolf The Ganger 22 Oct 19 8.40pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Parliament claims that they need enough time to debate all of the issues properly yet when I watched an hour of this afternoon's proceedings there couldn't have been more than 100 MPs in the Commons and most of them were either fiddling with their phones or chatting to each other with probably only half a dozen listening to what the speakers were actually saying All the Remainers want is to engineer a second referendum.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 22 Oct 19 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Johnson screws it up again. Now 10-2 defeats since he took office. A 'pause' as it will clearly not get through. If he had not prorogued parliament twice he would have had more time. The WAB second reading largely meaningless as parliament will not make a final choice until all the legislation is passed. What an incredibly weak argument. If Parliament hadn’t prevaricated for nearly 3 years then there would have been plenty of time to sort this out. Now what makes you think that a delay to proceedings will change the minds of those that clearly want to remain in Europe? Basically, it won’t. The DUP don’t want a hard or soft border so not quite sure what will work for them, the Scots just want a referendum on independence and will do whatever anti-democratic thing they can to achieve it, the Lib Dem’s just want a second referendum as they think they have found a niche market and the Labour Party is a total shambles that isn’t sure whether it wants to be in or out. Politics is broken in this country and most of Europe know it. In fact they went as far as to say so today by admitting they did not think our Parliament is capable of making a decision. So to all those arguing against the timetable, what happens if Brussels says no to an extension? Oh, of course, they won’t, because Europe are skint and desperate to see us stay in the Union, so a delay followed by another delay and another delay is the most likely way of achieving this. Expect this to rumble on for years.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Oct 19 9.49pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
What an incredibly weak argument. If Parliament hadn’t prevaricated for nearly 3 years then there would have been plenty of time to sort this out. Now what makes you think that a delay to proceedings will change the minds of those that clearly want to remain in Europe? Basically, it won’t. The DUP don’t want a hard or soft border so not quite sure what will work for them, the Scots just want a referendum on independence and will do whatever anti-democratic thing they can to achieve it, the Lib Dem’s just want a second referendum as they think they have found a niche market and the Labour Party is a total shambles that isn’t sure whether it wants to be in or out. Politics is broken in this country and most of Europe know it. In fact they went as far as to say so today by admitting they did not think our Parliament is capable of making a decision. So to all those arguing against the timetable, what happens if Brussels says no to an extension? Oh, of course, they won’t, because Europe are skint and desperate to see us stay in the Union, so a delay followed by another delay and another delay is the most likely way of achieving this. Expect this to rumble on for years. What is important is that Remainers cannot add stupid amendments and conditions to the bill.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 22 Oct 19 9.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What is important is that Remainers cannot add stupid amendments and conditions to the bill. Let’s hope so, but I wouldn’t bet against some legal intervention from one or more parties.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 10.24pm |
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I watched the last 30 mins of the debate, the votes and the hour or so afterwards. I was not surprised at the results and quite impressed at what seemed like genuine attempts to find compromises so there could be a way forward. Bercow was outstanding and explained why Johnson had no option under Parliamentary rules other than to take the action he did. It seems that the government is now much more open to sensible amendments which reassure those worried about certain aspects of it. For instance it committed to giving Parliament the right to be involved in whether more time will be needed at the end of next year to conclude a free trade agreement, thus removing the threat of a crash out then. Until we know how long an extension is offered (and yes I am pretty sure that one will be offered) what happens next is unknown. I have some theories but will keep them to myself for the moment.
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