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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 08 Nov 19 12.00pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Does the British PM understand his own 'deal'?

As far as Northern Ireland is concerned, definitely not.

His claim that only some minor administrative 'rigmarole' is required at the border has been dismissed by practically everybody.

But what is more revealing is that he has told them that his deal is so great because it gives them the customs union and unlimited access to the single market.

The obvious riposte to this is, in that case, why can't the rest of the UK have it.

Oh and err ummm - unfettered access to Great Britain?
I mean, wtf is he talking about.

For entertainment value its great, but for everything else it is a complete disaster.

 

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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 11 Nov 19 12.59pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Nice one Nigel!

A bad day for Labour, LibDems and Remainers.

A good day for the Tories, Brexiteers and democracy.

Brexit incoming soon. Real soon.

 

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View berlinpalace's Profile berlinpalace Flag berlin 11 Nov 19 4.34pm Send a Private Message to berlinpalace Add berlinpalace as a friend

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

Nice one Nigel!

A bad day for Labour, LibDems and Remainers.

A good day for the Tories, Brexiteers and democracy.

Brexit incoming soon. Real soon.

Wayne Bayley, who until lunchtime was the Brexit party candidate in Crawley, a Conservative-held seat, isn’t very happy about the decision taken by his leader.

Wayne BayIey
(@Wayne_BayIey)
f*** your election strategy and f*** Boris. #BrexitParty [Link]

November 11, 2019
Wayne BayIey
(@Wayne_BayIey)
Very disappointed to see Nigel bottle it and back the EU treaty agreed by Boris.

We will now not see Brexit because of Conservative back room deals. [Link]
Yup, well done. And the BP website features a point by point demolition of the Brexit deal he just signed up to. Awkward.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Nov 19 5.48pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace

Wayne Bayley, who until lunchtime was the Brexit party candidate in Crawley, a Conservative-held seat, isn’t very happy about the decision taken by his leader.

Wayne BayIey
(@Wayne_BayIey)
f*** your election strategy and f*** Boris. #BrexitParty [Link]

November 11, 2019
Wayne BayIey
(@Wayne_BayIey)
Very disappointed to see Nigel bottle it and back the EU treaty agreed by Boris.

We will now not see Brexit because of Conservative back room deals. [Link]
Yup, well done. And the BP website features a point by point demolition of the Brexit deal he just signed up to. Awkward.

Well Wayne bailey can whistle.
Brexit in this form is a start.
If his party creates a hung parliament it wont ever happen.
Maybe deep down hes a remainer?

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Nov 19 5.59pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

i would have thought it is the end of 'leave'.

Farage was correct that Johnsons deal is not really leaving, at least nothing like the brexiteers wanted.

As for transition periods, Canada plus deal which Farage has given as reasons to support Johnson, neither of them are within the power of the UK.

They depend on the EU, and the USA is not supporting a trade deal with Johnson.


 

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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 11 Nov 19 7.11pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace

Wayne Bayley, who until lunchtime was the Brexit party candidate in Crawley, a Conservative-held seat, isn’t very happy about the decision taken by his leader.

Wayne BayIey
(@Wayne_BayIey)
f*** your election strategy and f*** Boris. #BrexitParty [Link]

November 11, 2019
Wayne BayIey
(@Wayne_BayIey)
Very disappointed to see Nigel bottle it and back the EU treaty agreed by Boris.

We will now not see Brexit because of Conservative back room deals. [Link]
Yup, well done. And the BP website features a point by point demolition of the Brexit deal he just signed up to. Awkward.

Unlike Berlin having an opinion on how England should be run. Oh hang on....

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 11 Nov 19 7.19pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

i would have thought it is the end of 'leave'.

Farage was correct that Johnsons deal is not really leaving, at least nothing like the brexiteers wanted.

As for transition periods, Canada plus deal which Farage has given as reasons to support Johnson, neither of them are within the power of the UK.

They depend on the EU, and the USA is not supporting a trade deal with Johnson.


This is the usual 'remainer' fear mongering.

Sure, this isn't the deal I want but you frame things like they are set in stone.

We haven't even negotiated much of the trade yet and we will be moving towards ridding ourselves of much of the 'remainer' junk that still exists.

We just need some time and a reasonable Johnson majority.....with all the Tories being leavers...and both look likely.


Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2019 7.20pm)

 


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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 11 Nov 19 7.21pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is the usual 'remainer' fear mongering.

Sure, this isn't the deal I want but you frame things like they are set in stone.

We haven't even negotiated much of the trade yet and we will be moving towards ridding ourselves of much of the 'remainer' junk that still exists.

We just need some time.

As I've said before.
Big majority for Boris and we can scrap the surrender act and negotiate from a position of strength.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Nov 19 7.46pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is the usual 'remainer' fear mongering.

Sure, this isn't the deal I want but you frame things like they are set in stone.

We haven't even negotiated much of the trade yet and we will be moving towards ridding ourselves of much of the 'remainer' junk that still exists.

We just need some time and a reasonable Johnson majority.....with all the Tories being leavers...and both look likely.


Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2019 7.20pm)

Exactly the 20 or so Tory rebels are pretty much gone and presumably will be replaced by candidates who will vote for Brexit. Assuming that they retain those Tory seats that bumps Johnson's majority even if he ends up with the same number of seats as last time.

 


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View berlinpalace's Profile berlinpalace Flag berlin 11 Nov 19 8.25pm Send a Private Message to berlinpalace Add berlinpalace as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

As I've said before.
Big majority for Boris and we can scrap the surrender act and negotiate from a position of strength.

‘Position of strength’, we’re leaving the flock to go and negotiate with the wolves.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 11 Nov 19 8.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace

‘Position of strength’, we’re leaving the flock to go and negotiate with the wolves.

I hear Germany are about to go into recession.

Some flock.

And besides, we will still trade with the EU....We just won't wear its collar.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2019 8.41pm)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Nov 19 8.39pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

An isolated country like the UK, whatever will be left of it, is hardly in a position of strength in negotiations with the EU bloc or the USA.

The Canada negotiation took 7 years and was in doubt right to the last, the UK would be far more complex.

The american president has already said no to Johnsons deal.

UK is like a man on a window ledge, seemingly unable to see what is in front of its eyes.

 

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