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| steve1984 29 Nov 18 11.33am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Really...Well I did refer to your comments against the government. I framed then as one eyed and likely the ramblings of someone anti that government. As for the legitimacy of what you said, prove it. I suspect what you said is more half truth than balance....But fair enough, I'm listening. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2018 8.59am) I'd be delighted to share with you some of what I learnt about Hungarian politics and society from my 17 years of living and working there. But it's quite clear that you've already written off my opinion that Hungary has become a mafia state as the ramblings of someone who just doesn't like it. You are of course correct, I am guilty as charged. I don't like it. But I would humbly ask you to do a bit more research before forming an opinion about what is actually happening there. It seems to me that you are quite understandably ignorant of the facts. You could profitably begin here. But in truth the level of corruption there is so bad that you wouldn't have enough time to investigate it properly. Hungary is a mafia state and it pains me when genuinely good people like yourself promote is as being somewhere that we should emulate. But you needn't take my word for it. Try asking a Hungarian. There must be a few in Wisbech. Edited by steve1984 (29 Nov 2018 11.33am)
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 Stirlingsays  29 Nov 18 11.35am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
I'd be delighted to share with you some of what I learnt about Hungarian politics and society from my 17 years of living and working there. But it's quite clear that you've already written off my opinion that Hungary has become a mafia state as the ramblings of someone who just doesn't like it. You are of course correct, I am guilty as charged. I don't like it. But I would humbly ask you to do a bit more research before forming an opinion about what is actually happening there. It seems to me that you are quite understandably ignorant of the facts. You could profitably begin here. But in truth the level of corruption there is so bad that you wouldn't have enough time to investigate it properly. Hungary is a mafia state and it pains me when genuinely good people like yourself promote is as being somewhere that we should emulate. But you needn't take my word for it. Try asking a Hungarian. There must be a few in Wisbech. Edited by steve1984 (29 Nov 2018 11.33am) Fair enough....I will look into it a bit. What are you doing in Hungary if it's a mafia state though? Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2018 11.37am)
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Pussay Patrol  29 Nov 18 11.38am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What's the point of you asking these questions. They have been answered so many times yet you ignore them and keep on saying the same crap. The only answers I've ever seen have only ever been about immigration What are the economic benefits? How will governance help improve the nation?
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| steve1984 29 Nov 18 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Fair enough....I will look into it a bit. What are you doing in Hungary if it's a mafia state though? Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2018 11.37am) I moved back to the UK in 2013. Out of the frying pan into the fire.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 18 11.49am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
The only answers I've ever seen have only ever been about immigration What are the economic benefits? How will governance help improve the nation? Really....just about immigration....you must be not reading about thirty percent of them. Your question is misplaced because few of us voted leave for purely economic reasons. It has been said on this thread many times that leaving the EU will result in short term economic turbulence. The longer term projections however are more favourable.....though all of these are biased projections....just as a remainer's view would also be biased. Firstly there is the reduction in damage from any EU collapse. Secondly there are the non EU trade deals which we will be able to cut. Thirdly there is the large scale reduction in EU yearly payments. Trade outside the EU has been growing for years and trade within it has been reducing.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 18 11.50am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
I moved back to the UK in 2013. Out of the frying pan into the fire. It sounds like you have a genuinely interesting story.
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| steve1984 29 Nov 18 11.52am | |
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I could bore you with it for hours Edited by steve1984 (29 Nov 2018 11.52am)
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| Mstrobez 29 Nov 18 11.58am |
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The EU is viewed, rightly or wrongly, as a centralised & unaccountable advocate for a political and economic system that people are completely disillusioned by. Furiously dictating to them that that very system will be damaged by leaving it, in the form of attempting to reverse their democratically appointed vote is the definition of contempt & apathy. Do this so called “people’s vote” gang seriously think that if they even somehow won a second vote (which they wouldn’t), that we all go laughing and skipping gleefully back into the utopian EU sunset? It’s an absolute nonsense. And a dangerous one at that. And as a Corbyn supporter, I sincerely hope he stays well away from it. Labours credibility as the “anti-establishment” Party would be blown to pieces, and they will fall into a place possibly beyond recovery if they were reckless enough to back a 2nd referendum.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 29 Nov 18 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by steve1984
I could bore you with it for hours Edited by steve1984 (29 Nov 2018 11.52am) 'A Hungarian is someone who enters a revolving door behind you and comes out in front of you'....
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 18 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
That's all he can say, they have run out of road. Do you have some sort of memory issue? Understand this. Where the Remain supporting Prime Minister has brought us to and what Brexiters voted for are not the same. The Brexit negotiation is far from over but it really does not help when you have Labour beginning their laughable pre election campaign already, using Brexit and a possible second referendum as a carrot and The Bank of England coming up with a total load of cobblers about what would happen with no deal. None of these people are acting in the interests of the common man that you claim to care about. All of these players including the EU have exposed themselves for the scoundrels that they are.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Nov 18 12.22pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It is not a remain position that the UK surrenders all these things to Brussels, far from it. Where we are now, at the top table (God knows how still) we don't have to do any of these things. So why do it at all. Answers on a dustbin lid please send to your nearest Prime Minister...….. Because countries want our business now and will want us in the future, all whilst your lot are losing your minds.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Nov 18 12.24pm |
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Nick Ferrari regularly asks this question the answer tells you a lot about the person. What happens if we have a 2nd referendum and the Remain camp win by the same margin as the Leave campaign did? Vince Cable was squirming over this one trying to avoid giving an answer. He said we need a 2nd referendum because the country is divided and most people didn't vote for "this" type of Brexit etc. "But if you win narrowly the country is still divided so what do you do?" Cable eventually said we had to respect the result of the 2nd Referendum (as long as Remain win). Now I don't have a problem with Remain voters who have always said leaving is crazy and we should stay. I do have a problem with some politicians who are really saying that we should ignore the result of the first referendum because they didn't like it however if a 2nd Referendum goes their way we have to respect it. Ferrari has a point. A narrow win in a 2nd Referendum for either camp solves nothing and the division and campaigns will continue. The only 2nd Referendum I would be in favour of is do we leave on the Maybot deal or do we just leave.
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