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Pussay Patrol  29 Nov 18 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Because countries want our business now and will want us in the future, all whilst your lot are losing your minds. How will that improve post Brexit from the situation pre Brexit?
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 steeleye20 Online  Croydon 29 Nov 18 12.31pm |
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The will of the people is now to keep the deal we have as members of the EU.
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| dannyboy1978 29 Nov 18 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The will of the people is now to keep the deal we have as members of the EU. I don't remember a second second referendum and having what we voted for in the first? Edited by dannyboy1978 (29 Nov 2018 12.54pm)
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| Mstrobez 29 Nov 18 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Nick Ferrari regularly asks this question the answer tells you a lot about the person. What happens if we have a 2nd referendum and the Remain camp win by the same margin as the Leave campaign did? Vince Cable was squirming over this one trying to avoid giving an answer. He said we need a 2nd referendum because the country is divided and most people didn't vote for "this" type of Brexit etc. "But if you win narrowly the country is still divided so what do you do?" Cable eventually said we had to respect the result of the 2nd Referendum (as long as Remain win). Now I don't have a problem with Remain voters who have always said leaving is crazy and we should stay. I do have a problem with some politicians who are really saying that we should ignore the result of the first referendum because they didn't like it however if a 2nd Referendum goes their way we have to respect it. Ferrari has a point. A narrow win in a 2nd Referendum for either camp solves nothing and the division and campaigns will continue. The only 2nd Referendum I would be in favour of is do we leave on the Maybot deal or do we just leave. Not only does he have a point. He’s 100% right. And I’m no fan of Nick Ferrari. I don’t have a problem with remainers, far from it. I was one. But the remainers who fail to see the selfishness and damage of another vote surely must concede that leave voters will have the strongest case of them all to have a 3rd vote if remain win a second one. Is this honestly what anyone wants? Even the ones who pretend the EU is some sort of freedom-loving promised land? A person who actually gives a f*** about anything beyond tribalism recognises the importance of healing the toxic division consuming this country. This will never be achieved by merely saying to 17.4 million people “sorry but you picked the wrong side”. They were given a vote, they were told that for the first time this vote would actually mean something. To try and take that away from them at the last hour is cynical beyond belief. And it’s irrelevant what May does or does not come back with. They will be pushing this no matter what. It’s reverse Brexit or go to hell for the ultra-wing remainers. As far as I’m concerned, the ones who refuse to accept what 17.4 million voted for can do one. All they care about is themselves.
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 29 Nov 18 1.31pm |
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A general election is another vote where people may change their minds, what is the fuss a vote is democracy ok it is flawed. Another vote on Brexit is just the same. I am not a fan of a TV debate, as the debaters are both advocating leave so what is the point, it is turning the subject into an election. IMO the government should not take the advice as they are entitled to do from the 2016 referendum in view of the facts as they now are, completely at odds with what people voted for. That means remaining in the national interest. At present that does not involve much more than the PM picking up the phone to the other leaders and Junckers and putting the diplomatic levers in place. Really tbh we wouldn't deserve it. Just imagine the next 10 years with none of this s***e.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 18 1.36pm |
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Nowadays it seems that the real authoritarians are on the far left not on the far right. I don't know who on the right advocates for ignoring national votes. Still, it's more interesting than that 'New Labour' era of centralists in both parties I suppose. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2018 1.37pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Nov 18 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
A general election is another vote where people may change their minds, what is the fuss a vote is democracy ok it is flawed. Another vote on Brexit is just the same. I am not a fan of a TV debate, as the debaters are both advocating leave so what is the point, it is turning the subject into an election. IMO the government should not take the advice as they are entitled to do from the 2016 referendum in view of the facts as they now are, completely at odds with what people voted for. That means remaining in the national interest. At present that does not involve much more than the PM picking up the phone to the other leaders and Junckers and putting the diplomatic levers in place. Really tbh we wouldn't deserve it. Just imagine the next 10 years with none of this s***e. You don’t speak for the majority and the sane, thankfully.
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 29 Nov 18 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You don’t speak for the majority and the sane, thankfully. I do, thankfully.
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| Mstrobez 29 Nov 18 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
A general election is another vote where people may change their minds, what is the fuss a vote is democracy ok it is flawed. Another vote on Brexit is just the same. I am not a fan of a TV debate, as the debaters are both advocating leave so what is the point, it is turning the subject into an election. IMO the government should not take the advice as they are entitled to do from the 2016 referendum in view of the facts as they now are, completely at odds with what people voted for. That means remaining in the national interest. At present that does not involve much more than the PM picking up the phone to the other leaders and Junckers and putting the diplomatic levers in place. Really tbh we wouldn't deserve it. Just imagine the next 10 years with none of this s***e. No it’s not, in the slightest. And you lot have gotta stop punting this nonsense because it’s so disingenuous and it doesn’t do you any favours. Rhetoric like that is precisely why someone like me, who voted to remain, would vote leave in a 2nd referendum. It’s not complicated. In a general election, you vote a government into office. They then get into office. People voted to leave. 17.4 million of them. You are seeking to overturn this before we’ve actually left. On the basis of your personal opinions and the EXACT same rhetoric that initially lost you the first referendum. Who knows what the future holds with the EU & the U.K. I personally think it’s very unlikely we’d vote to rejoin unless there were serious reforms. But one things for sure, people voted to leave it. They must be respected. We must leave. Whether you think it’s the worst decision in history or not. Politics in this country may never recover if we simply render an entire mass of (winning) voters as irrelevant.
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| Pussay Patrol 29 Nov 18 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I do, thankfully. Hmm, a vote for Brexit is sanity yet noboby who did and still trumpet its virtues can come up with single economic benefit
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 29 Nov 18 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
No it’s not, in the slightest. And you lot have gotta stop punting this nonsense because it’s so disingenuous and it doesn’t do you any favours. Rhetoric like that is precisely why someone like me, who voted to remain, would vote leave in a 2nd referendum. It’s not complicated. In a general election, you vote a government into office. They then get into office. People voted to leave. 17.4 million of them. You are seeking to overturn this before we’ve actually left. On the basis of your personal opinions and the EXACT same rhetoric that initially lost you the first referendum. Who knows what the future holds with the EU & the U.K. I personally think it’s very unlikely we’d vote to rejoin unless there were serious reforms. But one things for sure, people voted to leave it. They must be respected. We must leave. Whether you think it’s the worst decision in history or not. Politics in this country may never recover if we simply render an entire mass of (winning) voters as irrelevant. They are not irrelevant at all. The facts were not known in June 2016. Now they are. There is nothing wrong with giving people their say on what is actually going to happen.
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| Mstrobez 29 Nov 18 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Nowadays it seems that the real authoritarians are on the far left not on the far right. I don't know who on the right advocates for ignoring national votes. Still, it's more interesting than that 'New Labour' era of centralists in both parties I suppose. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2018 1.37pm) Sorry, Stirling this is utter nonsense. There was a strong left wing case for Brexit. For every Nigel Farage & Boris, there was a Dennis Skinner & Tony Benn. (Who were leavers long before Boris was). The biggest advocates for the EU are New Labour & centrists. By a country mile too. Look at the figures campaigning for a so called people’s vote. I’m a lefty and a Labour voter. But politicians such as Chuka Umunna & Tony Blair are some of the most despicable in existence. Brexit, on the most part is an anti-establishment vote. That establishment, 9x out of 10 is occupied by the centre.
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