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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Jan 19 9.51am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So no point in a referendum as there is only one option

Extend article 50 until they reach a deal that will get through parliament, however long it takes

Probably. Spineless sh1tes they are. I always thought it would be a soft (as sh1t) Brexit to suit our pathetic MPs and citizens but recently thought for a short time we might get a no deal Brexit. Were a pathetic nation now but we get what we deserve. Gradual downturn in most aspects of life without a hope of a reversal.

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 22 Jan 19 10.08am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So no point in a referendum as there is only one option

Extend article 50 until they reach a deal that will get through parliament, however long it takes

We've had a referendum and the margin was 1 and a quarter million.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 22 Jan 19 10.09am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


What should the choice be? And no deal can't be one of them since Labour have demanded it is not an option

Who cares what Labour wants as it's irrelevant for a referendum unless you are suggesting that all Labour voters are sheep that will do whatever Corbyn tells them to

 

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View Pussay Patrol's Profile Pussay Patrol Flag 22 Jan 19 10.13am Send a Private Message to Pussay Patrol Add Pussay Patrol as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Who cares what Labour wants as it's irrelevant for a referendum unless you are suggesting that all Labour voters are sheep that will do whatever Corbyn tells them to

Democracy my friend which you are usually quickly to point out

 


Why did Tong Po think running at Kurt with a flame would make any difference?

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 22 Jan 19 10.36am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Democracy my friend which you are usually quickly to point out

They are in opposition. That is democracy.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 22 Jan 19 11.11am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Democracy my friend which you are usually quickly to point out

Funny how this is a relevant word when it suits you

 

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View Rubin's Profile Rubin Flag 22 Jan 19 11.21am Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

The mental gymnastics is unbelievable. Just admit it, both Labour and the conservatives have almost successfully wormed their way out of having a true Brexit whilst betraying the majority who voted for it. Call it what it is. Stop justifying to yourself that it's been done democratically or fairly. 17 million plus people have been conned, and I hope enough of them realise it.

If no deal is taken off of the table, then Brexit is dead as far as I'm concerned.

Edited by Rubin (22 Jan 2019 11.27am)

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Jan 19 11.37am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Looking at those job losses last week, they are in 'leave' places.

The replacement for EU funds to relieve them and re-generate has already been kicked into the future and will just never happen.

 

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View Pussay Patrol's Profile Pussay Patrol Flag 22 Jan 19 12.00pm Send a Private Message to Pussay Patrol Add Pussay Patrol as a friend

Originally posted by Rubin

The mental gymnastics is unbelievable. Just admit it, both Labour and the conservatives have almost successfully wormed their way out of having a true Brexit whilst betraying the majority who voted for it. Call it what it is. Stop justifying to yourself that it's been done democratically or fairly. 17 million plus people have been conned, and I hope enough of them realise it.

If no deal is taken off of the table, then Brexit is dead as far as I'm concerned.

Edited by Rubin (22 Jan 2019 11.27am)

17m people did not vote for a no deal Brexit

Only a lunatic would want that

 


Why did Tong Po think running at Kurt with a flame would make any difference?

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Cebu, Philippines & Wisbech, Cambr... 22 Jan 19 12.11pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rubin

The mental gymnastics is unbelievable. Just admit it, both Labour and the conservatives have almost successfully wormed their way out of having a true Brexit whilst betraying the majority who voted for it. Call it what it is. Stop justifying to yourself that it's been done democratically or fairly. 17 million plus people have been conned, and I hope enough of them realise it.

If no deal is taken off of the table, then Brexit is dead as far as I'm concerned.

Edited by Rubin (22 Jan 2019 11.27am)

It's the Brexiteers who were conned! Conned by false promises, the greed of those who can profit, the desire of Putin to break up the EU and reclaim the eastern European states and media barons with personal agendas.

Even small contracts allow for a "cooling off" period these days so that you can reflect on your decision and cancel it if new information is found, or changed circumstances occur.

A Brexit is a pretty big contract with implications for decades ahead which will affect many future generations.

So to reconfirm, or deny, the original decision seems perfectly logical in these circumstances. Much has changed since 2016. People are more aware and the world has moved on. People are allowed to change their mind. Decisions made under duress can be null and voided and there is a strong argument to be made that the 2016 referendum contained elements of duress.

I want our elected representatives to make the final decision but if they want to consult the people first to find out if there is a substantial majority, one way or the other, then fine. Anything less than a 2/3rds majority either way ought to require Parliament to come to a view, no matter how long that takes.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 22 Jan 19 12.33pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

What is the problem some Brexiteers have in having a time period to leave? Why the rush? Why the desperate need for a hard exit? What's wrong with including a free trade deal with the EU rather than leaving without one and then having to start discussions for a new trade deal anew but with reduced bargaining power? I don't get it? Educate me.

The referendum gave a majority decision in favour of leaving. That is that mandate. However, the question was so simple; but the consequence is a hugely complex process with so many moving parts. There is no mandate in how that exit is to occur.

Thus, the Tories promised a "smooth and orderly" exit. That is their mandate. And I think they are trying to achieve that within a bewilderingly difficult and fractious factual matrix where husband and wife don't agree on the best solution, let alone those MPs who represent the people.

The best solution would be to extend Art 50 and somehow find a deal that Parliament can present to the EU for them to consider and hopefully compromise.

And that is the key word. My working life is all about negotiating deals. Both parties generally end up moderately unhappy; but business goes on.

There, and I am a staunch remainer who is not advocating a new vote.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 22 Jan 19 12.37pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Was there a second referendum is sorts with a general election. Pro EU lib dems failed miserably

 

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