A no-deal Brexit threatens the UK's food security and will lead to higher prices and empty shelves in the short-term, retailers are warning.

Sainsbury's, Asda and McDonald's are among those warning stockpiling fresh food is impossible and that the UK is very reliant on the EU for produce.

The warning comes in a letter from the British Retail Consortium and is signed by several of the major food retailers.

Of course, as any brexiteer will tell you, this is nonsense and these people don't know their own business..............

It's because of the reasoning embodied in the above statement that I am withdrawing from this thread. I have better things to do than constantly try to debate with brick walls. Actually describing the Brexiteer posters here as brick walls is to flatter them. They are more like stone age walls!

To constantly refer to a referendum result as a function of our democracy demonstrates a huge level of ignorance. Our democracy is vested in our Parliament and they can choose to overturn anything if, in the light of events and circumstances, it is their collective will to do so.

I don't believe anyone "won" when in 2016 a very close referendum result was declared. Many things which have nothing to do with the issues can affect such results. When we hold a GE the results can also be so affected but we know that in a few short years we will do it again.

Therefore to cling to the notion that just because 52% outvoted 48% we must adhere to a decision that the majority of our elected representatives disagree with is transparent nonsense. We need to do what is right, and not what is wrong just because of a vote in 2016. It's not up to us to decide what is right, or wrong. It's our representatives job to determine that.

I have encountered the same dumb attitude in other forums. People who hold such views seem all to form a particular sub group of society. I also find it in Trump supporting groups in the USA and anti-immigration groups here.

So I am out of here. No-one is going to change views because of me, as the responses indicate minds pickled in aspic.

We face a calamitous moment in our history so I will play my own small role trying to persuade MPs to do their duty and persuading those who think like me to join in the pressure on them. That's a better use of my time.

At least you all support a decent football club, even if your politics would be more at home at the Den.

I'm not in the camp that thinks it's a problem

The fact Mrs May said in Parliament about her Brexit deal that we can control our borders is basically saying because so many people voted out for this reason, a lie, I've got to keep up the lie to abide by the will of the people and stay in power. Pointless trying to preach about misconceptions now, that ship has sailed

Thousands of jobs employing EU economic migrants on working holidays taking their savings back home you mean? And are you talking about new goods coming in from countries we’ve imported from for years? Kenya, Israel?

So you're happy to have cheap imported goods which would be detrimental to our own farmers and producers? You don't mind to put those thousands of jobs at risk? otherwise you would need to introduce tarrifs and subsidies at similar levels

Also what standards would we follow? Keep EU standards ? Would all these new goods be at the same standards we are used to?