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W12 13 Feb 19 4.05pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Here of course with the fixed term parliamentary act, we are unable to turf out a useless government like the present one.

Really designed to preserve tory rule regardless.

And not Tory in any way I could recognise

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

According to John Sargeant immigration news was a taboo subject both at the BBC and ITV when he worked there and he thinks this had an impact on Brexit.

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Perfectly sums up everything many of us already knew about mainstream media. Out of touch, elitist journalists.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 13 Feb 19 4.15pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

And not Tory in any way I could recognise

Yep, they are nothing but an embarrassment to the Tory name.

Conservatives that conserve nothing but their bank balances......Which is ok, but being a conservative isn't just about economics....well it use to be.

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Here of course with the fixed term parliamentary act, we are unable to turf out a useless government like the present one.

Really designed to preserve tory rule regardless.

I suspect the Spanish people would prefer a little more governing and a little less electioneering. But you are correct it is democracy.

The argument for introducing fixed term parliaments is that it actually takes power aware from the ruling party.

In the past the government of the day could promise tax cuts then call an election whilst riding high in the opinion polls. Later the economy would falter because that wasn't the right thing to do.

From my school days studying politics we were taught the greatest power the PM has is to call an election when they want.

On balance I think a fixed term parliament is a better idea as it provides stability. As for getting rid of a government you don't like that hasn't changed you will always need a majority in Parliament for a vote of no confidence with or without a fixed term.

Interestedly I think there is broad agreement amongst the parties for fixed term parliaments I haven't heard any complaints from Corbyn or Cable.

 


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The Spanish certainly have ideas for a five year fixed term.....it was four years but they want a sleep in the middle of it.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I suspect the Spanish people would prefer a little more governing and a little less electioneering. But you are correct it is democracy.

The argument for introducing fixed term parliaments is that it actually takes power aware from the ruling party.

In the past the government of the day could promise tax cuts then call an election whilst riding high in the opinion polls. Later the economy would falter because that wasn't the right thing to do.

From my school days studying politics we were taught the greatest power the PM has is to call an election when they want.

On balance I think a fixed term parliament is a better idea as it provides stability. As for getting rid of a government you don't like that hasn't changed you will always need a majority in Parliament for a vote of no confidence with or without a fixed term.

Interestedly I think there is broad agreement amongst the parties for fixed term parliaments I haven't heard any complaints from Corbyn or Cable.

Honestly B you are 'strong and stable' even now with that conservative party clap-trap!


 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Honestly B you are 'strong and stable' even now with that conservative party clap-trap!


It's not my idea of a Tory party, its Labour lite.

I struggle to identify any of the current crop of politicians both Tory and Labour who have anything of value to say or any vision.

They're tick box politicians who all fight over the middle ground.

The great leaders are the ones that move the middle ground towards them e.g. Lloyd George, Churchill, Attlee and Thatcher. Irrespective of their politics and their personalities they changed the political norm.

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 14 Feb 19 1.30am

Brexit is now a national crisis

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Who voted for a national crisis?

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Brexit is now a national crisis

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Who voted for a national crisis?

You do love a good scaremongering story! Of course other EU Nations are worried as they will be paying higher taxes as the UK will not be handing over more money! The EU need to find that money from somewhere!!

 

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I think, after all this time, the thing that makes me laugh the most is all the so-called lefties pretending that being subject to a centralised bureaucracy that relentlessly exploits, en masse, working class people for their labour, is somehow a left wing construct.

I know this won't apply to some in here , but I think what put's the majority of the working classes off of the so called "left" in this country is the fact that it's been represented by big-business warmongering "liberals" for decades.

Indifferent to the plight of the working classes, representative of the ideology that democratic power is merely something to be managed & vehemently opposed to the notion of reform. Regardless of if people revolt against them.

It's funny isn't it, because the above paragraph actually epitomises everything that is wrong with the EU.

I support Corbyn, I think he's trying his best to manage a situation where the Blairites are intentionally undermining him & ready to oust him at the first sign of a wrong move. But for his sake, he has to hope & pray the Tories take us out of the EU & a general election isn't en route. Because if Labour takes the whole "remaining in all but name" thing to a GE - not a single leave voter I know is touching them with a f***ing barge pole. And without leave voters, they ain't getting into office.

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 14 Feb 19 6.07am

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

You do love a good scaremongering story! Of course other EU Nations are worried as they will be paying higher taxes as the UK will not be handing over more money! The EU need to find that money from somewhere!!

Based on? Typical remain / Brexiter exchange. I post a viewpoint based on factual article, you respond with irrelevant gobbledegook

 


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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Brexit is now a national crisis

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Who voted for a national crisis?

The civil service is overwhelmingly Remain so it's hardly a surprise that the great and the good are warning of a national crisis. We are still the 5/6th biggest economy in the world.

 


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