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| W12 14 Mar 19 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Let's get a little real after the hype of the UK doing so well recently The latest forecasts from the Office for Budget Responsibility cut its growth estimates for this year from the 1.6% forecast made in October’s Budget to 1.2 % — in line with a pessimistic Bank of England, and the worst for the UK economy since 2009’s 4.3% slump. For 2020, growth is predicted to be 1.4%, unchanged from October. The impact of Brexit uncertainty on business investment has been one of the culprits behind the growth downgrade. “Our research suggests that cumulatively the impact on GDP has been about 3% up to this year thanks to Brexit — and bear in mind that that is all before Brexit has happened,” Nomura’s chief economist George Buckley said. Business investment spending is also likely to fall for five quarters running for the first time since 2009. Seriously people are still going on about economic forecasts given how spectacularly wrong the forecasts were for a pro-Brexit vote? They have not a clue and the EU is clearly failing as an economy anyway. Also, economic uncertainty is all the more reason not to extend article 50 isn't it? For remainer's it's unsurprisingly all about money. Most Brexiteers I know would rather live in reduced circumstances with a country they still recognize that values free speech and that can become democratic once again. This has become an existential problem for them so don't underestimate the backlash. There is no way of putting this genie back in the bottle.
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 Mapletree  Croydon 14 Mar 19 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I have 2 kids 25 and 22 both voted leave and would do so again.Do they hate those that prefer remain? Absolutely not, I am surprised your kids can't appreciate everyone is entitled to their own views and understand democracy I believe they understand democracy. Also they understand that plebiscites are inappropriate due to the imbalance in cost/benefits. Someone that has only a small amount to gain may vote for something whereas others may have a very large amount to lose from that vote. Just over 70% of 18 to 24-year-olds who voted in the referendum backed Remain, four major academic and commercial polls conducted shortly after the ballot agree, with just under 30% backing Leave. In contrast, only 40% of those aged 65 and over supported Remain, while 60% placed their cross against Leave. My expectation is that those who were 16 and 17 at the time of the vote would be more strongly pro-Europe.
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Pussay Patrol  14 Mar 19 10.22am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
I would rather on the side of a bus ,1 billion extra a month for the police, NHS, mental illness, social services and pot holes So EU membership prevents us from funding our public services? This is what I mean about people voting based on lies, misconceptions and prejudice. Take those votes out and we wouldn't have this problem Edited by Pussay Patrol (14 Mar 2019 10.24am)
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| Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 10.28am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Did you read the thread? ''DB pensions, control over housing and ridiculous levels of debt being the clearest examples.'' They also benefited from MIRAS and free study. As TUX has told us many times, they are the generation that had it good, far better than those to come. They didn't reinvest for future generations. You haven't given any examples of the over 65s feathering their nests at all as all you have shown is times were better a couple of decades ago which is hardly the fault of the now retired. As for your so called "ridiculous levels of debt" I can't see the over 65s taking on much debt at all let alone ridiculous amounts as it's the younger generation that want it all and want it all now
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| Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 10.30am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So EU membership prevents us from funding our public services? This is what I mean about people voting based on lies, misconceptions and prejudice. Take those votes out and we wouldn't have this problem Are you including George Osborne's "lies, misconceptions and prejudice" misleading the remainers too or is just the stupid Brexiteers that were lied to and misled?
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| W12 14 Mar 19 10.30am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I believe they understand democracy. Also they understand that plebiscites are inappropriate due to the imbalance in cost/benefits. Someone that has only a small amount to gain may vote for something whereas others may have a very large amount to lose from that vote. Just over 70% of 18 to 24-year-olds who voted in the referendum backed Remain, four major academic and commercial polls conducted shortly after the ballot agree, with just under 30% backing Leave. In contrast, only 40% of those aged 65 and over supported Remain, while 60% placed their cross against Leave. My expectation is that those who were 16 and 17 at the time of the vote would be more strongly pro-Europe. Most 18-24 year olds are simply not paying attention. Your frontal cortex (the part of the brain responsible for logic and decision making) doesn’t even fully develope until 24/25 years old. That’s not pseudo science. Arguably they should not even be allowed to vote.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 14 Mar 19 10.39am |
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Originally posted by W12
Most 18-24 year olds are simply not paying attention. Your frontal cortex (the part of the brain responsible for logic and decision making) doesn’t even fully develope until 24/25 years old. That’s not pseudo science. Arguably they should not even be allowed to vote. I am afraid the 'frontal cortexes' of the 50 + show decline and wear and tear !!!
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| Pussay Patrol 14 Mar 19 10.52am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Are you including George Osborne's "lies, misconceptions and prejudice" misleading the remainers too or is just the stupid Brexiteers that were lied to and misled? Who on here is citing this? People voted leave, as evidenced on this thread, on the notion our services are underfunded as a direct result of being in the EU and that we get nothing back for the money we put in. Then you have another contributor posting leave propaganda from an Aarron banks website promoting a speech from Jacob Rees Mogg the day after a dispatchs investigation revealed how his company profited from the Brexit turmoil to the tune of £7m. If that's not being mugged off I don't know what is And then some leave voters get in a huff and say we're not stupid. Hmm...
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 19 11.05am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I am afraid the 'frontal cortexes' of the 50 + show decline and wear and tear !!! You're an old man Steely....what are you waffling about?.....ring that bell for nursey.
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| Mapletree Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.06am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
You haven't given any examples of the over 65s feathering their nests at all as all you have shown is times were better a couple of decades ago which is hardly the fault of the now retired. As for your so called "ridiculous levels of debt" I can't see the over 65s taking on much debt at all let alone ridiculous amounts as it's the younger generation that want it all and want it all now It is the fault of the politicians of the time and the people that supported them. Presumably the majority of that generation. The older generation don't have the debt as individuals given how cheap everything was for them. They were complicit in creating a debt mountain for the country and forcing the younger generation into debt through excessive housing and travel costs to name just two elements. I did not say they are currently feathering their nests. They are too busy spending their excessive gains to bother with that any more. And the really big debt? Defined Benefit pension plans. Crucifying our big businesses. And, unlike other savings, totally immune to the economy. Those that invented such schemes need their toe nails drawn out one by one. Edited by Mapletree (14 Mar 2019 11.08am)
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| Painter Online Croydon 14 Mar 19 11.08am |
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The British people have been disregarded with a flagrant abuse of the power we gave our MPs and democracy is over.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Mar 19 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It is the fault of the politicians of the time and the people that supported them. Presumably the majority of that generation. The older generation don't have the debt as individuals given how cheap everything was for them. They were complicit in creating a debt mountain for the country and forcing the younger generation into debt through excessive housing and travel costs to name just two elements. I did not say they are currently feathering their nests. They are too busy spending their excessive gains to bother with that any more. I understand criticism of politicians but I just don't get the line of attack on people. Tell me Maple, which generation didn't take the advantages offered to them? They all do.
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